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Why vegans are simply better people

Personally I see it as the peak of reverse trolling that people seem to be all too happy to post in this thread.

Don't see the harm in that, since this thread was dead like 10 pages ago. I just thought it was funny.

Which is especially funny since people have pointed out repeatedly that the author is never going to read any of this.

Nah, but when they scroll through looking for quotes with their name in it, they'll definitely see a dead buck. That made me laugh.

So people are basically getting off on teabagging a mannequin.

Bravo.

As opposed to getting off on teabagging what exactly, Buddha....? :boggled: Bravo, indeed.

*noms popcorn, this thread takes "don't feed the trolls" to a whole new level*

^^what she said
 
My problem with PETA is they should take more care who they allow in & who is using their name. (Granted that's pretty much every group ever.)

At the Cat Ranch, we had to deal with several persons or groups trying to shut us down in PETAs name. ALF too come to think of it. They seemed to be unable to comprehend a "no kill" shelter/rescue that the animals weren't suffering horribly at & thus needed to be put down.
 
Tons of confirmation bias. We tend to remember people who come off as jackasses. I'm sure I've met loads of vegans that I don't even know were vegans because they were just nice and normal people who didn't make it their goal to tell me all about their veganism within five seconds of meeting them.


Oh and PETA......I think they are the worst thing to happen to animal welfare in a long time. I mean if people stop treating animals badly they'll stop plastering naked women on billboards. I can't think of anything that would better assure animal suffering. And that porn site they wanted to run with random images of animal cruelty in it.......what drug do you have to be on to think that up?

PETA is about attention and dogmatism first, helping animals second. Naked women grab attention. Plastering images of them doesn't help animals.

Anyone who supports PETA nees to compare PETA to the World Wildlife Fund. I haven't seen WWF badger (no pun intended) anyone or try to grab attention. Its goals are simply to conserve wildlife.

Just check out the differences in websites.

http://www.worldwildlife.org/home-full-2.html

And

http://www.mccruelty.com/

Which one is more juvenile and which looks professional like they really care about animals?
 
I am staunchly anti pet unless you have unlimited resources to take care of the animal. I can't tell you the number of poor white trash I see out there who can't take care of their children or pay their bills but have 2-3 dogs and a bunch of cats and bunnies etc.

We have a guinea pig. And he's treated like gold, but he's the entire exception. He's able to be kept in a cage, we let him out from time to time but he prefers the cage and loves being held.

Anyone who is poor and has a pet is an uncontrollable source of frustration for me. I think it is horribly cruel to the animal. If it were up to me animals would never be allowed to be bought as pet or adopted unless you got a license and had animal insurance of some sort.

I can't stand humans who use animals for personal comfort but fail to treat the animal with the kind of freedom and care it deserves. I don't think there are too many people lower on my disgust list.

I would not go as far as unlimited , but I would say when you have enough resource.
I have two cat, and i spend maybe 70 euro per month in average (food+vet+cat toilet stuff+toy). I only started to have cats *when* I had enough money that I could spend those 70 without shedding a tear. I still ain't rich (far away from that).
 
That is a weirdly defensive response. You very specifically criticized PETA for its policy on euthanasia without understanding why PETA holds the policy in the first place. Then you criticized PETA for opposing pet ownership, a position it does not in the first place. The point on euthanasia is debatable, the point on pet ownership is not.

Do you actually disagree with any part of my post?

"Then you criticized PETA for opposing pet ownership, a position it does not in the first place. "

We already had this discussion in the first place in other thread. The fact remain that PETA representative were quite clearly quoted as saying they are against *ALL* pet in general, non withstanding what you say.
 
I'm not that clever.

What's nonexistence like?
It's like nothing you've ever experienced.

Personally I see it as the peak of reverse trolling that people seem to be all too happy to post in this thread. Which is especially funny since people have pointed out repeatedly that the author is never going to read any of this. So people are basically getting off on teabagging a mannequin.

Bravo.
You're welcome.

Would you accept me as a relatively informed source, someone who's capable of stating what PETA's policies are without BS?
Yes. I even agree that animals should be treated ethically. We probably just disagree on what is ethical treatment.

As a long time vegan, I'd just like to say that I am indeed a better person than all of you. It's just that it's not because I'm vegan.
I disagree, and not just because you're a vegan.
 
Reply to OP: I could not get the quote function to work for me.

I am 71 years old. I smoke, drink, and hangout in bars with women of questionable character. I eat anything I want. This includes eggs and meat every day.

According to my last physical, I am in near perfect health. (5’10’’ 150 lbs)
I tip generously, and give to many charities.(I do prefer to give directly to people in need as there is too much in waste in large organizations.) I also play a mean game of pool.

Ergo, I have disproved your entire theory.(IMHO)
 
Anyone who supports PETA nees to compare PETA to the World Wildlife Fund.


Okay. Here's a comparison.

Enter "spay neuter" in the World Wildlife Fund search and you get ONE result ... on spaying/neutering TIGERS.

Enter "spay neuter" in the PETA search and you get 69 PAGES of results.
 
"Then you criticized PETA for opposing pet ownership, a position it does not in the first place. "

We already had this discussion in the first place in other thread. The fact remain that PETA representative were quite clearly quoted as saying they are against *ALL* pet in general, non withstanding what you say.
Incorrect. PETA is a huge advocate for animal adoption, many members already have pets.

The problem, I'm guessing, is one of language. In PETA, "pet" is a four-letter word. You'll see this occasionally, the word "pet" is used in scare quotes, accompanied with descriptions of how people basically treat "pets" as no different from furniture. There was a case where a woman forced her son to kill his hamster with a hammer because he got bad grades, another instance where a man killed his brother's cat to make a point after an argument, people on the PETA2 boards were understandably upset.

They are very fond of the concept that animals should be treated as companion animal, not pets (a word they view as derogatory). They really dislike the idea of buying a living breathing animal as if it were property, they prefer adopting instead. People should not think of themselves as animal owners, but caretakers and stewards. They avoid the inanimate pronoun it in favor of he or she. See pro-animal pronouns.

The "institute of pet ownership" refers to a practice of breeding animals for profit. PETA really really dislikes this practice, they view breed-for-profit industries as directly causing a huge amount of cruelty to animals and creating a culture where people disregard animal well-being as if they were furniture.

To an outsider, there's no distinction between a "pet" and a "companion animal", which leads to misunderstandings when PETA rails against pet shops and breeders but simultaneously recommends adopting homeless animals from shelters instead. PETA activists are perfectly happy to spell it out for you, like I've just done, if you just take the time to ask rather than guess what their policies are regarding pet ownership.

(I personally don't make the pet/companion animal distinction very often when I talk to people, because it makes me seem more pretentious than I really am.)
 
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As a long time vegan, I'd just like to say that I am indeed a better person than all of you. It's just that it's not because I'm vegan.
Unless you're a Submarine Sailor, no, you're not.
If you are, it's a tie.
 
Why should what you eat or don't eat make you a better or worse person?
 
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Incorrect. PETA is a huge advocate for animal adoption, many members already have pets.

The problem, I'm guessing, is one of language. In PETA, "pet" is a four-letter word. You'll see this occasionally, the word "pet" is used in scare quotes, accompanied with descriptions of how people basically treat "pets" as no different from furniture. There was a case where a woman forced her son to kill his hamster with a hammer because he got bad grades, another instance where a man killed his brother's cat to make a point after an argument, people on the PETA2 boards were understandably upset.

They are very fond of the concept that animals should be treated as companion animal, not pets (a word they view as derogatory). They really dislike the idea of buying a living breathing animal as if it were property, they prefer adopting instead. People should not think of themselves as animal owners, but caretakers and stewards. They avoid the inanimate pronoun it in favor of he or she. See pro-animal pronouns.

The "institute of pet ownership" refers to a practice of breeding animals for profit. PETA really really dislikes this practice, they view breed-for-profit industries as directly causing a huge amount of cruelty to animals and creating a culture where people disregard animal well-being as if they were furniture.

To an outsider, there's no distinction between a "pet" and a "companion animal", which leads to misunderstandings when PETA rails against pet shops and breeders but simultaneously recommends adopting homeless animals from shelters instead. PETA activists are perfectly happy to spell it out for you, like I've just done, if you just take the time to ask rather than guess what their policies are regarding pet ownership.

(I personally don't make the pet/companion animal distinction very often when I talk to people, because it makes me seem more pretentious than I really am.)

I like dogs. That's why I've never owned one.
 
Ha! You didn't capitalize Submarine Sailor!
Fake!
Plus, no Submarine Sailors are NBA superstars. We're too busy with important things like arguing about what movie to watch after midrats.
So, at best, you're only .005% better than I am, if, indeed, you are a Sub Sailor.
 
I believe it comes down to the age-old conundrum of one man's "terrorist" is another man's "freedom fighter". Looking back through history you'll find more than a few examples of leaders or movements who started off on the wrong end of the law. That does not mean that I condone their actions. I always prefer nonviolence over violence. However, your post leads me to ask whether you believe these past transgressions by PETA can ever be outweighed by the good that they've done? Will this forever be a criminal organization in your opinion?
As long as they lend financial and other support to organisations and individuals conducting terrorism (even direct participation themselves), then the good and legal examples of what they do will always be tainted by the former in my opinion.

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