Has there ever been a Conspiracy Theory that was in fact true?

Just had a thought. Has anyone mentioned the Nazi's final solution? Until the end of WW2 it was not known by the rest of the world that this was happening. A few people might have tried to tell the world but they were ignored. So what else do we need for this to be a conspiracy?
 
rjh01 said:
Just had a thought. Has anyone mentioned the Nazi's final solution? Until the end of WW2 it was not known by the rest of the world that this was happening. A few people might have tried to tell the world but they were ignored. So what else do we need for this to be a conspiracy?
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Keeping genocide quiet isn't much of a "C"onspiracy. It lacks Illuminati, secret technology and ninjas. And most importantly, no scapegoat. The "Holohoax" CT is because it has Illuminati (Teh Jooos), secret tech (or at least crates of forgeries), and ninjas (all the thousands of eyewitnesses who after 60 years have never revealed the "secret"). And for the CT loons, the beauty is they get to blame "Teh Joos" for it all!

SpitfireIX said:
Actually, the CT is that the attack was deliberate, because the Israelis didn't want the US to know what they were up to, and that the government of Israel lied claimed it was an accident.

But again, conspiracists' claiming that a CT must be true doesn't make it so.
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AFAICT, the only thing the CT can debate is intent. Since apologies and reparations were made, how much of a difference is there to be made? For anyone without an ax to grind that is.
 
Robrob said:
Keeping genocide quiet isn't much of a "C"onspiracy. It lacks Illuminati, secret technology and ninjas. And most importantly, no scapegoat. The "Holohoax" CT is because it has Illuminati (Teh Jooos), secret tech (or at least crates of forgeries), and ninjas (all the thousands of eyewitnesses who after 60 years have never revealed the "secret"). And for the CT loons, the beauty is they get to blame "Teh Joos" for it all!
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In other words you agree with me. If you had a better argument you would have used it. Since the best argument you can come up with is a joke, I must be right.
 
rjh01 said:
Just had a thought. Has anyone mentioned the Nazi's final solution? Until the end of WW2 it was not known by the rest of the world that this was happening. A few people might have tried to tell the world but they were ignored. So what else do we need for this to be a conspiracy?
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rjh01 do you really and honestly believe millions of Jewish people and non-Jewish people were killed in gas chambers in Poland over a period of about three years in secret without the Allies knowing about it?

rjh01do you really and honestly believe millions of Jewish people and non-Jewish people were killed in gas chambers in Poland over a period of about three years and that the Red Cross was aware of it but kept it a secret?


In other words do you believe the Allies and the Red Cross were enablers of the conspiracy?
 
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Clayton Moore said:
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rjh01 do you really and honestly believe millions of Jewish people and non-Jewish people were killed in gas chambers in Poland over a period of about three years in secret without the Allies knowing about it?

rjh01do you really and honestly believe millions of Jewish people and non-Jewish people were killed in gas chambers in Poland over a period of about three years and that the Red Cross was aware of it but kept it a secret?
(((had to save this gem of logic, before you wake up and erase it - proves you are a fraud who knows nothing about the holocaust, and you are proud of your complete lack of knowledge ...)))
In other words do you believe the Allies and the Red Cross were enablers of the conspiracy?
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How would the Red Cross stop the holocaust?; an event you can't comprehend. Your failed logic debunks your delusional claims. Does the Red Cross have an army? What was the logic of this failed junk?

The Allies were where? How can the allies stop Nazi nuts from killing people? Your idiotic logic; Germany occupied Poland, the allies were responsible for the Nazi dolts murdering people who were not combatants; rounded up out of hate and exterminated by Nazis.

Did you forget to read Hitler's blue print for hate? Why are neoNAZIs deniers of the holocaust, which makes Hitler a bigger, biggest loser in history? Where is the logic?

A true CT, the conspracy to kill Jews and other deemed not to be inclued in the "new" Hilter Naiz Germany, was a Conspracy (not a theory) that was in fact true. Hitler's goal to kill othere people out of hate and ignorace, a true conspracy.
 
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beachnut said:
How would the Red Cross stop the holocaust?; an event you can't comprehend. Your failed logic debunks your delusional claims. Does the Red Cross have an army? What was the logic of this failed junk?

The Allies were where? How can the allies stop Nazi nuts from killing people? Your idiotic logic; Germany occupied Poland, the allies were responsible for the Nazi dolts murdering people who were not combatants; rounded up out of hate and exterminated by Nazis.

Did you forget to read Hitler's blue print for hate? Why are neoNAZIs deniers of the holocaust, which makes Hitler a bigger, biggest loser in history? Where is the logic?

A true CT, the conspracy to kill Jews and other deemed not to be inclued in the "new" Hilter Naiz Germany, was a Conspracy (not a theory) that was in fact true. Hitler's goal to kill othere people out of hate and ignorace, a true conspracy.
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Nice twisting of my words.




rjh01 do you really and honestly believe millions of Jewish people and non-Jewish people were killed in gas chambers in Poland over a period of about three years in secret without the Allies knowing about it?

rjh01do you really and honestly believe millions of Jewish people and non-Jewish people were killed in gas chambers in Poland over a period of about three years and that the Red Cross was aware of it but kept it a secret?
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rjh01 said:
In other words you agree with me. If you had a better argument you would have used it. Since the best argument you can come up with is a joke, I must be right.
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You can pretend anything you wish. OTOH, as I said and has been described here in this topic on many earlier occasions - genocide (even a "c"onspiracy to genocide) isn't a "C"onspiracy as is described by most conspiracy theorists. If for no other reason than it's been public knowledge since the 40's. No Illuminati, no tech, no ninjas, no scapegoats.

It's not a classic Conspiracy: JFK, 9/11, Moon Landing, etc...

Travis said:
What exactly would be the point of this conspiracy?

An accidental attack fits precisely with known motives and alliances. A purposeful attack makes no sense.
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How about US "extraordinary renditions" of terrorism suspects in foreign jurisdictions?

The first public allegations of that program were made by victims who reported having been abducted out of airports in the US and abroad. They claimed to have been shackled, boarded onto unmarked planes, and flown to remote "black sites" in Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Morocco, and Uzbekistan for torture and interrogation. Those claims spurred journalist investigations that uncovered evidence implicating privately-owned covert airlines known to frequently charter craft for CIA use. However, nothing conclusive was found until a botched abduction of a muslim cleric in Italy led to charges being filed against several CIA operatives.
 
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rjh01 said:
Just had a thought. Has anyone mentioned the Nazi's final solution? Until the end of WW2 it was not known by the rest of the world that this was happening. A few people might have tried to tell the world but they were ignored. So what else do we need for this to be a conspiracy?
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The bolded part is completely false. The United Nations, i.e. the Allies, issued a formal declaration on the extermination of the Jews on December 17 1942. There were thousands of newspaper stories and other pieces of intelligence which referred to the mass extermination of the Jews, and numerous protests issued publicly as well as through back channels.
 
Nick Terry said:
The bolded part is completely false. The United Nations, i.e. the Allies, issued a formal declaration on the extermination of the Jews on December 17 1942. There were thousands of newspaper stories and other pieces of intelligence which referred to the mass extermination of the Jews, and numerous protests issued publicly as well as through back channels.
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So today everyone knew? Thanks for the update.
 
Clayton Moore said:
OOPSY Everyone but the Jewish people who kept arriving at the death camps with their children and aging parents till what, 1945?
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.. at the point of a gun.

Funny how you keep neglecting that minor detail.

Actually, more sad than funny...
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Clayton Moore said:
Millions of Jewish people over a period of 3 to 5 years? That's a lot of guns
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In batches of at most a few thousand at a time.

Not so many guns, which no one ever accused the Nazis of being shrot on, nor people to point them.

Versus no guns at all for the Jews.
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Yes randman, this one was as real as they get.....

randman said:
Hadn't heard of this. Thanks. Black ops are real, on-going and frequent or were for a long time (likely still but don't have any personal knowledge). They are often dismissed as conspiracy theories but such conspiracies are actually part of the fabric of history and something people need to accept and understand as not some wacko concept but how things get done sometimes.
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Yes randman, this one was as real as they get.....

The Italian Prime Minister copped to the whole affair, the Italian part of it anyway right in front of the world. Ever so beautiful really, finally an undeniable CRACK in the wall of bull......
 
TSR said:
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In batches of at most a few thousand at a time.

Not so many guns, which no one ever accused the Nazis of being shrot on, nor people to point them.

Versus no guns at all for the Jews.
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Do you know what staging is?
 
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