Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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A complication that no one remembers or seems to notice sounds pretty good to me.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Last time I noticed there were 24 hours in a day. A baby or toddler sleeps at least 1/2 that, likely unobserved. Fevers don't tell time. So 50% of baby seizures probably go unobserved.

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I don't think a person could possibly do a better job of proving how completely out of their depth they are in a subject than you have by posting that statement.

Infants that have high fevers tend to be very irritable, cranky and in a lot of pain. That alone will keep them from sleeping. If you include febrile seizures into that situation, there will be a much smaller chance of a child sleeping normally.

This all completely ignores the fact that most infants do NOT sleep half a day unobserved. You are lucky to get a completely healthy, contented child to sleep 3-4 hours on average.

Just. WOW.
 
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Of course, if you're really lucky like me, the contented child will then wake up and occupy zirself playing with zir toes and singing zir little "Doot de doo, I'm awake" song softly to zirself, giving me time to wake up fully before pulling zirself up in the crib saying quite understandably "Hey!" indicating it was time to begin the day. The nursery has two doors, and we'd make a game of whether zie could guess which I would use on any given day -- there were times I'd swear zie chose correctly, but faced the other way looking innocent anyway. The chuckle was a dead give away...

I'll brb -- someone needs a hug.
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Border Reiver said:
You are assuming that the child only has a fever when asleep? A fever high enough to cause a seizure is not a low grade one, but is likely running at least 104 degrees F. These fevers don't go from normal temp (98.6 fahrenheit) to this level in minutes, cause a seizure, then subside quickly - if my own kids have been any guide.
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You are assuming that the child only has a fever when awake? A fever high enough to cause a seizure is not a low grade one, but is likely running at least 104 degrees F.


These fevers don't go from normal temp (98.6 fahrenheit) to this level in minutes, cause a seizure, then subside quickly - if my own kids have been any guide.
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If a baby has a fever does she not sleep in spite of the fever? If the fever causes a seizure how long will it last? Why wouldn't the baby fuss a little and go back to sleep?

Is the baby conscious during the seizure? What symptoms would make the parents aware the sleeping, now awake, baby had had a seizure?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Last time I noticed there were 24 hours in a day. A baby or toddler sleeps at least 1/2 that, likely unobserved. Fevers don't tell time. So 50% of baby seizures probably go unobserved.

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So once again, your imagined "evidence" for your claims are seizures that no one observes or records?

What other evidence is there that we can't see, touch, smell, hear, or taste?
 
Clayton,

You're just not getting it. You've obviously never seen a baby with a 104 C fever, let alone convulsions. Almost all the parents here have! I also bet you've never even spent 24 hours taking care of a healthy baby.

You have dreamt-up a completely impossible scenario. If vaccines caused as wide an epidemic of fever-induced convulsions as you propose, every parent would have seen it, every parent would have been horrified and frightened by it, and every parent would have contacted their doctor immediately. Give up- you don't have a clue about this...
 
Clayton Moore said:
You are assuming that the child only has a fever when awake? A fever high enough to cause a seizure is not a low grade one, but is likely running at least 104 degrees F.




If a baby has a fever does she not sleep in spite of the fever? If the fever causes a seizure how long will it last? Why wouldn't the baby fuss a little and go back to sleep?

Is the baby conscious during the seizure? What symptoms would make the parents aware the sleeping, now awake, baby had had a seizure?
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You really should know the answers to those questions before you parade yourself as an expert.
 
Giordano said:
Clayton,

You're just not getting it. You've obviously never seen a baby with a 104 C fever, let alone convulsions. Almost all the parents here have! I also bet you've never even spent 24 hours taking care of a healthy baby.

You have dreamt-up a completely impossible scenario. If vaccines caused as wide an epidemic of fever-induced convulsions as you propose, every parent would have seen it, every parent would have been horrified and frightened by it, and every parent would have contacted their doctor immediately. Give up- you don't have a clue about this...
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The made little sense. It hardly deserves a response.
 
Clayton Moore said:
The made little sense. It hardly deserves a response.
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Which consept is hard for you to understand?

That parents watch their children? That infants do not sleep for twelve hours a day in a single block? That fevers apparently only happen in the times when the baby is asleep and unobserved, and leaves no noticible symptoms after the fit?

That the sheer numbers of fevers and fits you propose based on this being a common response to immunisation would mean that the chances of the majority of fits going unobserved is pretty much an impossibility.

None of that makes any sense to you at all?
 
Clayton Moore said:
The made little sense.
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The irony is strong with this one.

Clayton Moore said:
It hardly deserves a response.
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Because you have none.

I have two kids, and the frequency of our appearance at A&E is factual evidence of the reality of responsible parents doing what must be done as a responsible parent.

How was that detected? Simple. You listen to the monitor, or you take a sick child into your bed at night, or you observe them in the daytime.

Parents are not stupid.

You are clearly not a parent.
 
abaddon said:
The irony is strong with this one.


Because you have none.

I have two kids, and the frequency of our appearance at A&E is factual evidence of the reality of responsible parents doing what must be done as a responsible parent.

How was that detected? Simple. You listen to the monitor, or you take a sick child into your bed at night, or you observe them in the daytime.

Parents are not stupid.

You are clearly not a parent.
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Parents are not stupid.
And yet when parents report that their children exhibited the permanent symptoms of autism shortly after receiving a MMR vaccine they are not so smart?


A&E?



You are clearly not a parent.

Must have missed my mention that my older son is a special education teacher.
 
Clayton Moore said:

Parents are not stupid.
And yet when parents report that their children exhibited the permanent symptoms of autism shortly after receiving a MMR vaccine they are not so smart?


A&E?



You are clearly not a parent.

Must have missed my mention that my older son is a special education teacher.
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Yes, I didn't notice that, nor did you mention it over the past few posts when I specifically brought the subject up. Sorry.

Honestly, I don't mean to offend you (I'll only mention you haven't been reciprocally so generous in the Holocaust denial thread), but it still doesn't make sense to me... Were you in the military or somehow otherwise not available for childcare (long hours at work, responsible for your own parents, etc.) during periods of your children's early years? Didn't your son (or his younger sibling- he couldn't be your older son without at least one brother-right) ever have a fever? Didn't they have teething pains? A bad cold? Didn't you ever have sleepless nights nursing them during these illnesses?

I still don't see how you, as a parent, can even imagine that kids could go through febrile convulsions and you wouldn't notice. But, maybe your children weren't "fussy." If so, you should know it is rare; most kids sleep fitfully even when they aren't having fits (pun intended).

In any case, you invented out of whole cloth a vaccine-induced epidemic that never occurred and goes against all existing evidence to support your pet theory.
 
Clayton Moore said:

Parents are not stupid.
And yet when parents report that their children exhibited the permanent symptoms of autism shortly after receiving a MMR vaccine they are not so smart?
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I'm certain you have been told before, correlation does not imply causation. It's a well known fact children receive immunizations at the same age they first begin to function socially at a level where autism spectrum disorders (or any mental disorder) would be noticeable.


Must have missed my mention that my older son is a special education teacher.
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When you tell him your various conspiracy theories, does he laugh at you or is he polite enough to wait till later?
 
Giordano said:
Yes, I didn't notice that, nor did you mention it over the past few posts when I specifically brought the subject up. Sorry.

Honestly, I don't mean to offend you (I'll only mention you haven't been reciprocally so generous in the Holocaust denial thread), but it still doesn't make sense to me... Were you in the military or somehow otherwise not available for childcare (long hours at work, responsible for your own parents, etc.) during periods of your children's early years? Didn't your son (or his younger sibling- he couldn't be your older son without at least one brother-right) ever have a fever? Didn't they have teething pains? A bad cold? Didn't you ever have sleepless nights nursing them during these illnesses?

I still don't see how you, as a parent, can even imagine that kids could go through febrile convulsions and you wouldn't notice. But, maybe your children weren't "fussy." If so, you should know it is rare; most kids sleep fitfully even when they aren't having fits (pun intended).

In any case, you invented out of whole cloth a vaccine-induced epidemic that never occurred and goes against all existing evidence to support your pet theory.
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Of course they had fevers. But you jump around as if seizures were normal happenstance or that they left some sort of detectable residue.

Have you read that a common after affect of a vaccine is a fever?
 
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