"Ron Paul racist rant caught on tape!" (note, in quotes)

[Bill Thompson]

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Paul also has very extreme views on state's rights, and (if I'm not mistaken) has said that he would end the Drug War but would allow each state to decide on their own what their drug laws would be. I wonder if he feels the same way about the death penalty?

Still, for most hilarious Paul quote yet (at 2:45): "It's impossible for libertarians to be racist, because racism is a collectivist idea." (!)
When he says stuff like this, I just kinda sit and stare at the screen, and think: "WOW...you actually do believe all this stuff, don't you?!?"

(Oh, and a little bit earlier, he says that "civil disobedience/non-violence" are "libertarian principles". That's news to me.)

 

[magellan]

Another reason to say No to Ron Paul is that he seems to think that you can use IUDs for murder:
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/abortion/

 

[Bill Thompson]

Paul also has very extreme views on state's rights, and (if I'm not mistaken) has said that he would end the Drug War but would allow each state to decide on their own what their drug laws would be. I wonder if he feels the same way about the death penalty?

Still, for most hilarious Paul quote yet (at 2:45): "It's impossible for libertarians to be racist, because racism is a collectivist idea." (!)
When he says stuff like this, I just kinda sit and stare at the screen, and think: "WOW...you actually do believe all this stuff, don't you?!?"

(Oh, and a little bit earlier, he says that "civil disobedience/non-violence" are "libertarian principles". That's news to me.)

So if Texas has the death pentalty and most Texans like it, the Federal government should tell them they cannot have it? How is that OK? You know The Union needs Texas. Texans are just looking for a reason to leave the Union. I know. I have lived there.

And I have known two racists in my lifetime and they are not afraid to admit it. Ron Paul is lots of unpopular views that he does not hide. Why would he lie about being a racist?

By the way, is Biden a racist?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

I don't consider Ron Paul to be especially racist, at least in his campaign policies.

However, there is this:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/po...011/12/21/ac-kth-ron-paul-racist-writings.cnn

Apparently, he has referred to MLK Day as "Hate Whitey Day" and so on (or he at least had, in his words, "moral responsibility" for those words). And he doesn't even deny having made other racist remarks (such as saying that if you've ever been robbed by a black male, you know how fleet of foot they are).

As a candidate for POTUS, he definitely has some racist baggage.

 

[Cain]

Where do people get the crazy idea that Ron Paul had anything to do with the Ron Paul Newsletter?

 

[Bill Thompson]

I don't consider Ron Paul to be especially racist, at least in his campaign policies.

However, there is this:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/po...011/12/21/ac-kth-ron-paul-racist-writings.cnn

Apparently, he has referred to MLK Day as "Hate Whitey Day" and so on (or he at least had, in his words, "moral responsibility" for those words). And he doesn't even deny having made other racist remarks (such as saying that if you've ever been robbed by a black male, you know how fleet of foot they are).

As a candidate for POTUS, he definitely has some racist baggage.

He did not write those things. And he shut down the newsletter when he found out the staff whom he had trusted printed that stupidity.

I advise people to stop listening to Progressive Talk Radio. They lie.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Why would he lie about being a racist?

Do I even need to answer this.

By the way, is Biden a racist?

How would I know? How is this in any way relevant?

 

[Alferd_Packer]

He did not write those things. And he shut down the newsletter when he found out the staff whom he had trusted printed that stupidity.

For how many years were those things being printed in his newsletter?

What year was this first brought up as an issue?

What year did he shut the newsletter down?



Even if, as you claim, he had nothing to do with the writing of the newsletter, it still was being done in his name for at least a decade or so. It wasn't a single incident but a long term pattern of incidents.

This does not reflect well on his executive managment style and sets a poor standard for a potential president.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Another reason to say No to Ron Paul is that he seems to think that you can use IUDs for murder:
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/abortion/

This is a goldmine. Here we go!

...as President, Ron Paul will continue to fight for the same pro-life solutions he has upheld in Congress, including:
* Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.”

* Defining life as beginning at conception by passing a “Sanctity of Life Act.”

If I had to pick one reason not to vote for him, this is it. I think that all of Ron Paul's supporters must either be closet fascists or willfully ignorant.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

His denial is accompanied by the typical 'laugh' he uses when he denies reality. I wonder if he's convinced himself he really didn't have those racist beliefs, they don't count now, and/or that people will really believe his absurd claim he didn't write the stuff or know about it until recently?

I suspect it won't be long before people dredge up videos of him repeating those beliefs in addition to the Paul publications. Surely he spoke the same words aloud at some point.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

From the Dallas Moring News in 1996:

Dr. Ron Paul, a Republican congressional candidate from Texas, wrote in his political newsletter in 1992 that 95 percent of the black men in Washington, D.C., are "semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

He also wrote that black teenagers can be "unbelievably fleet of foot." [...]

Dr. Paul, who is running in Texas' 14th Congressional District, defended his writings in an interview Tuesday. He said they were being taken out of context.

"It's typical political demagoguery," he said. "If people are interested in my character ... come and talk to my neighbors." [...]

According to a Dallas Morning News review of documents circulating among Texas Democrats, Dr. Paul wrote in a 1992 issue of the Ron Paul Political Report: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet of foot they can be."

Dr. Paul, who served in Congress in the late 1970s and early 1980s, said Tuesday that he has produced the newsletter since 1985 and distributes it to an estimated 7,000 to 8,000 subscribers. A phone call to the newsletter's toll-free number was answered by his campaign staff. [...]

Dr. Paul denied suggestions that he was a racist and said he was not evoking stereotypes when he wrote the columns. He said they should be read and quoted in their entirety to avoid misrepresentation. [...]

"If someone challenges your character and takes the interpretation of the NAACP as proof of a man's character, what kind of a world do you live in?" Dr. Paul asked.

In the interview, he did not deny he made the statement about the swiftness of black men.

"If you try to catch someone that has stolen a purse from you, there is no chance to catch them," Dr. Paul said.

He also said the comment about black men in the nation's capital was made while writing about a 1992 study produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives, a criminal justice think tank based in Virginia.

Citing statistics from the study, Dr. Paul then concluded in his column: "Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

"These aren't my figures," Dr. Paul said Tuesday. "That is the assumption you can gather from" the report.

http://reason.com/blog/2008/01/11/old-news-rehashed-for-over-a-d

Also that year from the Houston Cronicle

Paul, a Republican obstetrician from Surfside, said Wednesday he opposes racism and that his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time." [...]

Paul also wrote that although "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational.

Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."

A campaign spokesman for Paul said statements about the fear of black males mirror pronouncements by black leaders such as the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who has decried the spread of urban crime.

Paul continues to write the newsletter for an undisclosed number of subscribers, the spokesman said.

Writing in the same 1992 edition, Paul expressed the popular idea that government should lower the age at which accused juvenile criminals can be prosecuted as adults.

He added, "We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."

Paul also asserted that "complex embezzling" is conducted exclusively by non-blacks.

"What else do we need to know about the political establishment than that it refuses to discuss the crimes that terrify Americans on grounds that doing so is racist? Why isn't that true of complex embezzling, which is 100 percent white and Asian?" he wrote.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

This partially answers my second question which didn't get into the post, I wonder what Rand has to say about this. He must know his dad's beliefs about the matter:

Rachel Maddow Corners Rand Paul On His Extremist Views Of Civil Rights

I remember that.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Apparently this issue has struck a nerve.

Ron Paul is tired of being “pestered” about offensive statements that were mailed to supporters under his name in the late 1980s and early 1990s, the Texas congressman and Republican presidential candidate told CNN yesterday.

In an interview with CNN reporter Gloria Borger, Paul unplugged his microphone after getting agitated when pressed to discuss the controversial statements.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politic...latimes/news/politics+(L.A.+Times+-+Politics)

"I never read that stuff,” he said “I was probably aware of it 10 years after it was written. And it’s been going on 20 years that people have pestered me about this. And CNN does it every single time. So when are you going to wear yourself out?”

Borger pressed on: “Is it a legitimate question to ask, that something went out under your name?”

That’s when Paul got defiant. “And when you get the answer, it’s legitimate that you sort of take the answers I give,” he said. “You know what the answer is? I didn’t write them, I didn’t read them at the time and I disavow them. That is the answer.”

Borger defended asking about statements that “are pretty incendiary.”

“Because of people like you,” Paul said, later adding a “Goodbye” as he disconnected his microphone.

It's pretty obvious he is lying.

You can tell because his lips are moving -

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The evidence cup runneth over:

"Here's The Real Story Behind Ron Paul's Racist Newsletters"

In 1996 when the Texas Monthly investigated the newsletters, Paul took responsibility for them and said that certain things were taken out of context. (It's hard to imagine a context that would make the above quotes defensible.)

That article links to the 1996 news story.

Dr. Paul, who is running in Texas' 14th Congressional District, defended his writings in an interview Tuesday. He said they were being taken out of context.
[snip]
Dr. Paul denied suggestions that he was a racist and said he was not evoking stereotypes when he wrote the columns. He said they should be read and quoted in their entirety to avoid misrepresentation.
Dr. Paul also took exception [snip]
"If someone challenges your character and takes the interpretation of the NAACP as proof of a man's character, what kind of a world do you live in?" Dr. Paul asked.
In the interview, he did not deny he made the statement about the swiftness of black men.
"If you try to catch someone that has stolen a purse from you, there is no chance to catch them," Dr. Paul said.
He also said the comment about black men in the nation's capital was made while writing about a 1992 study produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives, a criminal justice think tank based in Virginia.
Citing statistics from the study, Dr. Paul then concluded in his column: `Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."
"These aren't my figures," Dr. Paul said Tuesday. "That is the assumption you can gather from" the report

(emphasis mine)

 

[Bill Thompson]

For how many years were those things being printed in his newsletter?

What year was this first brought up as an issue?

What year did he shut the newsletter down?



Even if, as you claim, he had nothing to do with the writing of the newsletter, it still was being done in his name for at least a decade or so. It wasn't a single incident but a long term pattern of incidents.

This does not reflect well on his executive managment style and sets a poor standard for a potential president.

That is an amusing post. How many times did Jerama Wright give a racist rant in his church? For how many years did Obama attend his church without knowing about it? Did Obama attend each service? Shouldn't he know that his name would be associated with this church?

 

[Bill Thompson]

Skeptic Ginger, Cherry Picking is a logical fallacy. Read the whole articles you link to. Also, as a whole, those articles are just opinions by Michael Brendan Dougherty and Catalina Camia, not evidince.

Joe Biden said that Obama was articulate for a black guy. Some of the things in the article you pointed to are on that same level. We cannot forgive Joe Biden and not forgive Ron Paul for saying the exact same kind of things. What are you saying, Liberals mean well and Republicon's don't mean well so we should look the other way when Biden says something stupid and not Ron Paul?

As for the really crazy racist stuff, it is Michael Brendan Dougherty and Catalina Camia oppinion that Ron Paul wrote them, not Ron Paul's.

The racists I have met are not ashamed to admit they are racists. Ron Paul sticks to his guns on other unpopular views, why wouldn't he on this?

Also, the two Libertarians I know of are definately NOT racists.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That is an amusing post. How many times did Jerama Wright give a racist rant in his church? For how many years did Obama attend his church without knowing about it? Did Obama attend each service? Shouldn't he know that his name would be associated with this church?

So listening to a rant is the same as writing the rant? Do you have any evidence Obama's views mirror Wright's? Because there is evidence Rand has deeply held racist views.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

That is an amusing post. How many times did Jerama Wright give a racist rant in his church? For how many years did Obama attend his church without knowing about it? Did Obama attend each service? Shouldn't he know that his name would be associated with this church?

Red herring. Nobody here is defending Obama.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

That is an amusing post. How many times did Jerama Wright give a racist rant in his church? For how many years did Obama attend his church without knowing about it? Did Obama attend each service? Shouldn't he know that his name would be associated with this church?

President Obama did not publish a newsletter with Rev, Wrights sermons in it.

Answer the questions.

For how many years were those things being printed in his newsletter?

What year was this first brought up as an issue?

What year did he shut the newsletter down?