Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Travis said:
Parents are irrelevant to this discussion. They aren't diagnosing their kids with this.
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Without parents recognizing symptoms that a child is not herself, the first step of any diagnosis, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
1.) Papers published on diagnostic improvements for autism. Autism rates rise.
2.) ???
3.) Paper publishing linked to autism!
 
Clayton Moore said:
Without parents recognizing symptoms that a child is not herself, the first step of any diagnosis, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Parents also bring in kids they are sure have epilepsy only to be told they have an allergy. Parents tend to be hypochondriacs about their kids.
 
Travis said:
Parents also bring in kids they are sure have epilepsy only to be told they have an allergy. Parents tend to be hypochondriacs about their kids.
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I doubt you'd find a parent in the developed world that would disagree with the statement, "I have brought my child to the emergency room for nothing."
 
I hate to bring good news into this discussion, but: Chickenpox Vaccination of Children Helps Protect Infants, Too
Before the vaccine was recommended, infants were four times more likely to die from chickenpox compared to children aged 1 to 14.

Not anymore.

There has been close to a 90% drop in the rate of chickenpox among infants from 1995 to 2008, even though they are not eligible for the vaccine.

"Vaccinating children aged 12 months and older protects infants who are too young to be vaccinated," says study researcher Adriana S. Lopez, MHS. She is an epidemiologist at the CDC in Atlanta.
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http://www.naturalnews.com/029798_measles_vaccines.html
Hidden government papers expose lies about measles vaccines for infants

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/029798_measles_vaccines.html#ixzz1gzXgBEYa


(NaturalNews) British government policy on measles vaccination for children has changed for no discernible reason notes Christina England, writing on vactruth.com, citing an internal document from 1968.

The document, titled "Notes On the Use and Storage of Measles Vaccine (Live Attenuated) for Routine Vaccines," clearly states in Section 7 that the vaccine should not be given to children under the age of nine months old. According to the paper's authors, the presence of maternal antibodies in the blood of such children interferes with the action of the vaccine, making it ineffective. Instead, the government recommended vaccination at the age of two after vaccination for diptheria, polio, tetanus and whooping cough.

England contrasts this with the ongoing push for earlier measles vaccination, most recently highlighted with a study that found almost no maternal antibodies present in children's bodies by the age of six months.

She also draws attention to Section 6 of the government document, which acknowledges that "mild febrile reactions and transient rashes may be expected to follow the administration of the vaccine in a substantial proportion of cases" but that "the Committee on Safety of Drugs ... does not however, wish to receive reports of mild febrile reactions and rashes associated with the use of this vaccine."

Section 8 then goes on to recommend that in order to reduce the risk of adverse effects, "an interval of three to four weeks should normally be allowed to elapse between the administration of measles vaccine and any other vaccine, whichever is given first."

Yet today, the vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella are given simultaneously, in the form of the MMR shot.
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Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/029798_measles_vaccines.html#ixzz1gzX5dUkd


Common sense.
 
How safe is the MMR vaccine?
The drug company that makes the MMR vaccine publishes an extensive list of warnings, contraindications, and adverse reactions associated with this triple shot. These may be found in the vaccine package insert available from any doctor giving MMR, and in the Physician's Desk Reference (PDR) at the library.(8,9) The following afflictions affecting nearly every body system -- blood, lymphatic, digestive, cardiovascular, immune, nervous, respiratory, and sensory -- have been reported following receipt of the MMR shot: encephalitis, encephalopathy, neurological disorders, seizure disorders, convulsions, learning disabilities, subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE), demyelination of the nerve sheaths, Guillain-Barre' syndrome (paralysis), muscle incoordination, deafness, panniculitis, vasculitis, optic neuritis (including partial or total blindness), retinitis, otitis media, bronchial spasms, fever, headache, joint pain, arthritis (acute and chronic), transverse myelitis, thrombocytopenia (blood clotting disorders and spontaneous bleeding), anaphylaxis (severe allergic reactions), lymphadenopathy, leukocytosis, pneumonitis, Stevens-Johnson syndrome, erythema multiforme, urticaria, pancreatitis, parotitis, inflammatory bowel disease, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, meningitis, diabetes, autism, immune system disorders, and death (Figure 49).(10,11)
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http://thinktwice.com/mmr.htm

Just plain scary.
 
Clayton Moore said:
How safe is the MMR vaccine?


http://thinktwice.com/mmr.htm

Just plain scary.
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How safe is contracting the diseases the vaccines prevent?

Children are handicapped and some die from those diseases, much more than any side effects of the vaccines.

Some people have adverse reactions, including death, to peanuts, (and many more common foods and substances) should we ban those items?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Just plain scary.
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It would be scary that you accept this article at face value even though the authors make simple mistakes of basic like, like referring to "The drug company that makes the MMR vaccine" when there are in fact four (Merck, GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, Serum Institute of India, and Sanofi Pasteur) if anyone took you seriously.

But no one does save you.

And not *one* of those companies lists autism, for example, as a side effect.

Also, I notice nothing in there about how often these complications crop up? Measles in countries that vaccinate in only 1% of the population -- that's 99% effective. The complications are in the neighborhood of .04% -- that's for all of them. For any individual adverse reaction the percentage is much smaller.

And did you even read the rest of the site, or did someone gust spoon feed this crap? The disclaimer clearly states:

... the FDA and CDC -- not the Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute -- should be consulted for the most up-to-date information regarding who should or should not receive vaccines, at what ages, and the number of doses.
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What do the FDA and CDC have to say about this, CM?

Think, read, *then* post and you won't look so foolish.
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Clayton Moore said:
http://www.naturalnews.com/029798_measles_vaccines.html
Hidden government papers expose lies about measles vaccines for infants

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/029798_measles_vaccines.html#ixzz1gzXgBEYa




Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/029798_measles_vaccines.html#ixzz1gzX5dUkd


Common sense.
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Not hidden so much as "not blasted across the media government report".

And as to the adverse reactions reported "mild febrile reaction and a transient rash"? Slight fever and a rash that'll quickly go away? Vice the actual disease? I got the MMR over 40 years ago and my kids got it - I don't think that they even had those reactions.
 
Border Reiver said:
Not hidden so much as "not blasted across the media government report".

And as to the adverse reactions reported "mild febrile reaction and a transient rash"? Slight fever and a rash that'll quickly go away? Vice the actual disease? I got the MMR over 40 years ago and my kids got it - I don't think that they even had those reactions.
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http://www.tga.gov.au/safety/alerts-medicine-seasonal-flu-100702.htm

As of 4 June 2010 the TGA had received a total of 1,729 AEFI reports concerning 2010 TIV. These included 1152 reports of fever and 123 reports of convulsions in children under 5.

Each of the febrile convulsion case reports has since undergone careful review and case ascertainment within the TGA, using de-identified clinical data provided by states and territories. On the basis of this detailed review, the TGA has concluded that there have been 100 confirmed cases of febrile convulsions in children under the age of 5 years across Australia, 58 of which were reported from WA. Of the 100 cases, the CSL products FLUVAX or FLUVAX JUNIOR were used in all 66 cases where the brand of the seasonal influenza vaccine was reported.
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How do babies put to sleep 18 hours a day, unobserved, communicate to their parents that they've had seizure or a convulsion?
 
Border Reiver said:
Not hidden so much as "not blasted across the media government report".

And as to the adverse reactions reported "mild febrile reaction and a transient rash"? Slight fever and a rash that'll quickly go away? Vice the actual disease? I got the MMR over 40 years ago and my kids got it - I don't think that they even had those reactions.
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I thank my lucky stars that my two adult sons made it through the vaccine gauntlet.
 
You realise that the MMR claims were based on flawed science and data that had been biased? That any attempt to replicate the research has found no link between MMR bowel complaints or autism?

Or that even if the hoax had been true, by not vaccinating your kids they had a much higher chance of becoming autistic as a complication of one of the diseases that vaccination would prevent?


Yes your children are lucky to have survived, as your action maximised their chances of harm, and increased the danger to the rest of your family and all their friends. Well done.
 
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Tomtomkent said:
You realise that the MMR claims were based on flawed science and data that had been biased? That any attempt to replicate the research has found no link between MMR bowel complaints or autism?

Or that even if the hoax had been true, by not vaccinating your kids they had a much higher chance of becoming autistic as a complication of one of the diseases that vaccination would prevent?


Yes your children are lucky to have survived, as you did your best to ensure they came to harm. Well done.
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Really? You should hone your reading comprehension. They received the same vaccines, on the same schedule as everyone else. As in survived survived the vaccine gauntlet. Thanks for the nasty response.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Really? You should hone your reading comprehension.
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You are in no position to criticize people on reading comprehension.

They received the same vaccines, on the same schedule as everyone else. As in survived survived the vaccine gauntlet. Thanks for the nasty response.
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That's not the same sob story you were telling a few months ago. Try to keep your stories straight.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Really? You should hone your reading comprehension. They received the same vaccines, on the same schedule as everyone else. As in survived survived the vaccine gauntlet. Thanks for the nasty response.
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So by advocating against vaccines, you have not been encouraging people to avoid them, and thus maximise the danger to your kids even if they are vaccinated?

Gosh, so if your anti-vaccine statements weren't intended to dissuade people from vaccinating what do you think you have been doing here?
 
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