Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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See Sol, you forgot to use the Menardian Principle of Statutory Interpretion: make up your own meanings if the plain language of a provision disagrees with your agenda.
 
FreemanMenard said:
What part of 'perform the duties authorized by an Act' do you not understand? Did you wish to add to it? You know, in order to try and limit their powers?
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Which duties authorized by which Act do you think this refers to? What, all of them? A Notary can perform any duty authorized by any Act?

:jaw-dropp
 
Rob I'm curious. Why didn't you convene a Notary court and get a Notary judgment against WestJet?

Should be easy when you've got the law on your side and an all-powerful Notary in your corner, eh?
 
FreemanMenard said:
(f) perform the duties authorized by an Act.

What part of 'perform the duties authorized by an Act' do you not understand? Did you wish to add to it? You know, in order to try and limit their powers?
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No, I want you to show me the Act which authorizes a Notary Public to "do anything ... a judge or a sheriff can do."
 
D'rok said:
Which duties authorized by which Act do you think this refers to? What, all of them? A Notary can perform any duty authorized by any Act?

:jaw-dropp
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He can't honestly be proposing that, can he?

Perhaps you can clarify your position, Rob? Are you suggesting that s. 18(f) of B.C.'s The Notaries Act authorizes a Notary Public to perform ANY duties ascribed to ANY person in ANY legislation in British Columbia?

For example, are you suggesting that s. 18(f) authorizes any Notary Public to perform the following duties ascribed to the Minister of Health in The Ministry of Health Act, RSBC 1996, c 301 (available here.)

Ministry continued
1 (1) There is to be a ministry of the public service of British Columbia called the Ministry of Health.

(2) The minister is to preside over and be responsible to the Lieutenant Governor in Council for the direction of the ministry.
(3) The minister may establish branches or divisions of the ministry the minister considers advisable.
Deputy and employees
2 (1) Deputy ministers of the ministry and other employees required to carry out the ministry's business may be appointed under the Public Service Act.

(2) Despite the Public Service Act but subject to the approval of the Lieutenant Governor in Council, the minister may engage and retain persons the minister considers necessary as consultants, experts or specialists, and may set their remuneration.
Agreements
3 The minister may, for the purposes of any Act under the minister's administration, enter into agreements with any person.

Minister's duties
4 (1) The duties, powers and functions of the minister extend to and include all matters relating to health that

(a) are assigned to the minister under any Act or by the Lieutenant Governor in Council, and
(b) are not, by law or by order of the Lieutenant Governor in Council, assigned to another minister, ministry, branch or agency of the government.
(2) The minister may in writing delegate any or all of the minister's duties, powers and functions granted or imposed by any Act.
Purposes and functions of ministry
5 The ministry, under the minister's direction, has charge of all matters relating to public health and government operated health insurance programs.
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FreemanMenard said:
Nope. Those are D'Roks strawman argument. Those are what he claims are my claims. So why should I defend them? And the difference between them and mine I have previously explained many times.
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No, you have not explained any difference.
You have emitted a lot of incoherent babble in an attempt to avoid getting pinned on any specifics.

I guess it is important for your little business to keep it vague enough to be able to blame the victims when they invariable get themselves even deeper in trouble through your "advice".
 
D'rok said:
Which duties authorized by which Act do you think this refers to? What, all of them? A Notary can perform any duty authorized by any Act?

:jaw-dropp
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IS that not what it says?

How do you read and interpret it? Now remember, read only the words that are there, and do not add any, ok?
 
FreemanMenard said:
IS that not what it says?

How do you read and interpret it? Now remember, read only the words that are there, and do not add any, ok?
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:dl:

Are you really serious about this? Awesome!

Here's an Act that authorizes the duties of BC Animal Disease Control Inspectors:


Duties of inspectors

4 (1) An inspector under this Act must perform the duties directed by the minister.
(2) An inspector has power to enter water, onto any land, water, structure or premises or into a vehicle or vessel in the performance of a duty under this Act.


http://canlii.org/en/bc/laws/stat/rsbc-1996-c-14/latest/rsbc-1996-c-14.html#sec4subsec1
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So, these are also the duties of a Notary Public?
 
FreemanMenard said:
IS that not what it says?

How do you read and interpret it? Now remember, read only the words that are there, and do not add any, ok?
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This interpretation of the Notaries Act doesn't seem consistent with the context of the Act. Why, in subsections (a) through (e), even bother specifying which duties a notary is responsible for if a notary may perform any duty in any act? If your interpretation is correct, subsection (f) is all the statute really needs to say.
 
exactly.
Why not just write " a notary can do anything specified in an act."

The reason is he/she can't, they can only do something which is authorised by an act.

You are now in the Mernadian world of interpretation where anything is possible.
 
Bosozoku said:
This interpretation of the Notaries Act doesn't seem consistent with the context of the Act. Why, in subsections (a) through (e), even bother specifying which duties a notary is responsible for if a notary may perform any duty in any act? If your interpretation is correct, subsection (f) is all the statute really needs to say.
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But then the duties expressed in the first parts would not be found in any Act at all, so your logic is faulty.
 
D'rok said:
:dl:

Are you really serious about this? Awesome!

Here's an Act that authorizes the duties of BC Animal Disease Control Inspectors:



So, these are also the duties of a Notary Public?
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Rob?
 
This gets better and better. Notaries get to be Mayor of Vancouver, and Director of Finance, and City Clerk, and City Treasurer, and Auditor

Part IV — Duties of Mayor, Director of Finance, City Clerk, City Treasurer, and AuditorsMayor
Status of Mayor

207. (1) The Mayor shall be the chief executive officer of the city and the president of the Council.
(2) Notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, the Council may, from time to time, with the concurrence of the Mayor, appoint a Councillor to be Deputy Mayor of the city, and may confer upon him such of the powers and duties by this Act vested in the Mayor as the Council shall think fit.
1953-55-207; 1992-57-1; 1993-59-49; 1993-74-1.

Mayor's duties

208. The Mayor shall
To enforce law for government of city

(a) be vigilant and active at all times in causing the law for the government of the city to be duly enforced and obeyed;
To make recommendations to Council

(b) recommend to the Council such measures as he shall deem expedient;
Oversee employees' conduct

(c) oversee and inspect the conduct of all employees of the city under the jurisdiction of the Council, and, so far as he can, cause all negligence or misconduct by any such employee to be punished;
Power to suspend

(d) suspend from his employment, if he thinks necessary, any such employee. The Mayor shall forthwith give notice in writing of such suspension
(i) to the Director of Finance; and
(ii) to the City Clerk, who shall inform the Council at its next regular meeting.
The suspension shall continue until the Council either
(i) reinstates the employee; or
(ii) dismisses the employee.
In every case the suspension shall be without pay, unless the Council otherwise directs.
1953-55-208; 1965-68-29.

Acting-Mayor

209. If at any time the Mayor is absent, or signifies his intention of being absent, from his duties through illness, departure from the city, or other cause, or his seat is vacated, the Council may appoint a Councillor to be Acting-Mayor. In the absence of the Mayor, the Acting-Mayor shall, during the period for which he is appointed, have all the powers and duties of the Mayor; provided, however, that the Acting-Mayor shall not take the place of the Mayor as Chairman of the Board of Administration unless the councillor member of the Board is absent from the city or otherwise unable to act as Chairman of the Board.


http://canlii.org/en/bc/laws/stat/s..._City_Clerk__City_Treasurer__and_Auditors_469
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Notaries really are all-powerful!
 
solzhenitsyn said:
He can't honestly be proposing that, can he?

Perhaps you can clarify your position, Rob? Are you suggesting that s. 18(f) of B.C.'s The Notaries Act authorizes a Notary Public to perform ANY duties ascribed to ANY person in ANY legislation in British Columbia?

For example, are you suggesting that s. 18(f) authorizes any Notary Public to perform the following duties ascribed to the Minister of Health in The Ministry of Health Act, RSBC 1996, c 301 (available here.)
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Rob? A Notary Public in British Columbia has charge of all matters relating to public health and government operated health insurance programs in British Columbia, yes? I just want to be clear as to what you are saying.
 
It must be remembered that Menard's as well as our own attempts at statutory interpretation are irrelevant. It is the court's interpretation that is important.
 
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m.menard:
if your claims are true, then it behooves you to make a challenge to the supreme court of canada.
if the law is as you say it is, the learned judges will surely see the truth and exonerate you.
you would be a canadian hero to rival louis riel.
go for it.
get back to us with the results, eh?
 
Bosozoku said:
This interpretation of the Notaries Act doesn't seem consistent with the context of the Act. Why, in subsections (a) through (e), even bother specifying which duties a notary is responsible for if a notary may perform any duty in any act? If your interpretation is correct, subsection (f) is all the statute really needs to say.
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Now that we are at the point where it is merely a matter of opinion and interpretation, and mine is defendable, do you Sol, still claim I purposely lied? And if not are you big enough to apologize or not?
 
psst Rob, you are talking to the wrong person, sol didn't write that.

You seem to be getting a little carried away, slow down and take a deep breath.
 
bikerdruid said:
m.menard:
if your claims are true, then it behooves you to make a challenge to the supreme court of canada.
if the law is as you say it is, the learned judges will surely see the truth and exonerate you.
you would be a canadian hero to rival louis riel.
go for it.
get back to us with the results, eh?
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No desire to be a hero.
And it seems that what I am doing is working just fine, in raising awareness and getting the public to discuss and question.
After all I even have the so called skeptics talking about it.

Funny though you and others seem to think it ain't the truth until someone else, (whom you do not accept as your equal) says so.
 
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