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UK PM David Cameron: "We are a Christian country"

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16224394

David Cameron has said the UK is a Christian country "and we should not be afraid to say so".

In a speech in Oxford on the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible, the prime minister called for a revival of traditional Christian values to counter Britain's "moral collapse".

He said "live and let live" had too often become "do what you please".

The PM said it was wrong to suggest that standing up for Christianity was "somehow doing down other faiths".

Describing himself as a "committed" but only "vaguely practising" Christian, the PM admitted he was "full of doubts" about big theological issues.

But he staunchly defended the role of religion in politics and said the Bible in particular was crucial to British values.

"We are a Christian country and we should not be afraid to say so," he told the audience at Christ Church.


I remember Barrack Obama saying the USA isn't a Christian country. Never thought I'd be envying the USA about this type of thing.

Also, I'd have thought it far more likely the "moral collapse" in the UK is due to the astronomical wealth inequality brought about by unbridled free market capitalism, which our millionnaire Tory overlords hold to be so precious...not to mention most of the people in jail ARE RELIGIOUS. GRRRRRRR :mad:
 
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Pandering to Angela Merkel more like. Or the monarchy...take your pick, but one group he's alienating is the electorate IMO. Shame Miliband's barely out of short trousers.
 
I don't think comments about the UK being Christian alienate the electorate very much. Mostly because religion is rather low-key in politics, even though just about every prime minister / opposition leader is/has been religious. I haven't checked, but is Miliband any different in this regard, or in respect of the amount of mentions of Christianity?

Nick Clegg is atheist IIRC and makes more comments about faith not being necessary. Shame everybody hates him because he was supposed side with Labour not the Tories.

If Cameron was pandering to Merkel, I don't think he would have vetoed her treaty the other week. She's a physicist anyway. I don't think she seriously believes the creation stuff. Unless god ran a balanced budget.
 
As long as he didn't mention "Wintervale" again I'll say it's a bit of a victory for reason compared to his pre-election claptrap!
 
I would have thought it would be far more sensible for him to wait for the national census results.
 
I would have thought it would be far more sensible for him to wait for the national census results.

The question in the 2011 census was of the nature "how often do you beat your wife?". A leading question - worse than useless. Much, much worse.

Question 20 in England and Wales will say: "What is your religion?" In Scotland, question 13 will ask: "What religion, religious denomination or body do you belong to?"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12507319
 
I haven't checked, but is Miliband any different in this regard, or in respect of the amount of mentions of Christianity?

Ed Miliband is an atheist. A Jewish atheist, whatever that's supposed to mean.

Nick Clegg is atheist IIRC and makes more comments about faith not being necessary. Shame everybody hates him because he was supposed side with Labour not the Tories.
Couldn't agree more, this whole coalition malarky is such a joke; lib-dems have always sat much better with labour than conservative...although the liberal market ideology is far more right wing. That's what's so stupid about the lib dems really - they don't know what they stand for really IMO.

If Cameron was pandering to Merkel, I don't think he would have vetoed her treaty the other week. She's a physicist anyway. I don't think she seriously believes the creation stuff. Unless god ran a balanced budget.
Lots of physicists believe Yaweh fries their morning eggs actually - they get mind boggled by the complexity and implausibility of the universe instead of keeping their existential feet on the ground. If you want sanity, look to the biologists.

I thought maybe he vetoed the Euro rescue package and decided he needed to snuggle up to Merkel by way of recompense.
 
Well you are aren't you?
Your head of state is the head of the Church of England Church.
Sounds that way to me.
 
Nick Clegg is atheist

He backtracked from his initial disbelief and became an agnostic.

Clegg, as he admitted in the second prime ministerial debate two weeks ago, is also "not a man of faith", and it was this point that Eddie Mair, presenter of Radio 4's PM programme, chose to take up with the Liberal Democrat leader at the start of his extended interview with him last week. He opened with a viciously simply question. "In the last television debate you volunteered that you are not a man of faith. Why don't you believe?"

Nick Clegg's answer began with a few seconds of stunned silence, lasted a minute and was a masterclass of incoherence.

"Why don't I believe? Em … Gosh, that's one of the most difficult questions, I, I think I can, I can imagine … I … why do, why do I not know … whether God exists or not … it's not something, it's not something … "

At this point Mair came back in, although it was clearly to bury Nick Clegg rather than to praise him. "You tell me what you think and what you don't think and explain why you arrived at that conclusion."

Clegg stumbled on. "Because I quite simply don't know whether, whether, whether God exists and … you know, I know it's obviously fashionable to say, say that, you know, one does, but I … I don't, you know, I'm not a man, a man of faith … sometimes I very much wish I was, because I think having faith must be a great thing. You know, members of my family do, my wife does, my children are being brought up in her church, and I think it can be a wonderful, unifying thing … but I, I myself ... you know, have not, have not, have not, you know, experienced, if you like, clearly what other people of faith have. Maybe it'll happen one day."

You could almost sense Mr Clegg's relief when he finally ground to a halt, but Eddie Mair was not finished with him. "Were you brought up in a Christian family?"

This was, at least, an easier question which Nick Clegg answered with confidence if not relish, concluding that faith "is not something that has happened to me, or at least not yet."

"So is it something you have actively rejected or have yet to be convinced of?" Mair pressed on.

"No, it's not something I've actively rejected at all," Nick Clegg replied. "I'm, I'm very interested, I think, like everybody is to, you know, a very personal level, with, you know, issues of, of, of spirituality, I think that's what makes us human … and … you know, it's nothing to with my politics but I, like every other individual, struggle with those very important aspects of our, of our, of our lives. So it's not something I'm closed off from at all. No, far from it."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/may/05/clegg-atheism-attlee
 
Nick Clegg = snivelling duplicitous wimp.

However, saying he doesn't know there isn't a doG, but thinking there isn't a doG, still sounds like atheism to me.
 
Actually this is what Obama said at a press conference in Turkey which is 96% Muslim.


Irrelevant.

"One of the great strengths of the United States," the President said, "is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."


Such as freedom of religion, which appears to be something to which some American Christians object.
 
Actually this is what Obama said at a press conference in Turkey which is 96% Muslim.

"One of the great strengths of the United States," the President said, "is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

So now you'll admit ours (yours and mine) isn't a christian nation, but one nation (not under god) united by ideals?
 
Such as freedom of religion, which appears to be something to which some American Christians object.
I don't object to the free exercise of religion, and neither did Thomas Jefferson who attended Christian Church services many times in the US Capitol building while president.
 
I don't object to the free exercise of religion, and neither did Thomas Jefferson who attended Christian Church services many times in the US Capitol building while president.

I attend weddings that are christian services. So Frikken What?
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16224394




I remember Barrack Obama saying the USA isn't a Christian country. Never thought I'd be envying the USA about this type of thing.

Also, I'd have thought it far more likely the "moral collapse" in the UK is due to the astronomical wealth inequality brought about by unbridled free market capitalism, which our millionnaire Tory overlords hold to be so precious...not to mention most of the people in jail ARE RELIGIOUS. GRRRRRRR :mad:
Of course the UK is a Christian country, you even have an official state-sponsored religion that is Christian sect. You even have royal poobahs charged with defending this sect.

It's backwards and strange, but there it is.
 
Ed Miliband is an atheist. A Jewish atheist, whatever that's supposed to mean.
OK.

Couldn't agree more
You probably could agree more because I wasn't serious.

lib-dems have always sat much better with labour than conservative
The former SDP wing, yes. The traditional liberal part, not so much really. Depends what Labour and Conservative are doing of course. Labour was much closer to the centre in the 1990s-2000s when the Conservatives became increasingly fringe. The opposite is in danger of happening now (although I don't think it will)

although the liberal market ideology is far more right wing
I view it as more liberal/libertarian, less interventionist/authoritarian, not left or right.

That's what's so stupid about the lib dems really - they don't know what they stand for really IMO.
Don't know what this means. Sounds quasi-religious to me :) .

I thought maybe he vetoed the Euro rescue package and decided he needed to snuggle up to Merkel by way of recompense.
As in "That stupid little **** ********** over my idea to make everyone more Germanic but at least the dumb bastard likes God, so he's probably OK". No I don't think so. It is all physics with Angela. Fiscal policy obeys Newton's law and Archimedes principle. There isn't even any game theory with her IMO. :D
 

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