In Search of Common Ground: A Conversation with Ron Wieck

[BasqueArch]

Maybe you should read the thread before you post in it, and take that question to the Chairman of the Senate Intelligence committee that investigated the attacks of 9-11?

Sen. Graham: Bush covered up Saudi involvement in 9/11
http://www.salon.com/2004/09/08/graham_8/

Maybe you should savor both sentences of my post again to understand it.

'If Bush "covered up the Saudi involvement". how do you know about it.
If Bush could not "cover up the Saudi involvement" how could he cover up "9/11 inside job.'

 

[DGM]

Maybe you should savor both sentences of my post again to understand it.

"If Bush "covered up the Saudi involvement". how do you know about it.
If Bush could not "cover up the Saudi involvement" how could he cover up "9/11 inside job."

He won't get it. You need to post a link.

 

[jimd3100]

Tell me jimd, can you explain to me the proper procedure to deputize the Vice President? Your argument hinges on that process, and I can't find a proper definition. I figured that before you made that charge, you had looked it up so I'm hoping you can help me out here.

Hey Sherlock why do you think Cheney called bush at 10:18?

I'll give you a hint, if he was "deputized" he wouldn't have needed to. And he wouldn't have needed to lie later either.....

“Minutes after terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center, President Bush ordered military jets into the air around Washington with orders to shoot down any airliner that refused to turn away from the city, Vice President Richard B. Cheney said yesterday.

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we...page=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

 

[LSSBB]

Hey Sherlock why do you think Cheney called bush at 10:18?

I'll give you a hint, if he was "deputized" he wouldn't have needed to. And he wouldn't have needed to lie later either.....

That still doesn't answer my question. What is the proper procedure to deputize the Vice President? He can (and probably should) call the President if making a decision after being deputized, if for nothing else to inform him of pending matters in a crisis.

 

[DGM]

Hey Sherlock why do you think Cheney called bush at 10:18?

I'll give you a hint, if he was "deputized" he wouldn't have needed to. And he wouldn't have needed to lie later either.....


http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we...page=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

Call William Veale yet?

 

[jimd3100]

Call William Veale yet?

LOL I doubt he'd take me as a client I think flight 77 hit the pentagon.

 

[BasqueArch]

He won't get it. You need to post a link.

Thank you DGM.

 

[jimd3100]

That still doesn't answer my question. What is the proper procedure to deputize the Vice President? He can (and probably should) call the President if making a decision after being deputized, if for nothing else to inform him of pending matters in a crisis.

Goldberg: What about authorization to shoot down United #93? Did that come from the Vice President?
Rumsfeld: Technically, it couldn’t, because the Vice President is not in the chain of command

http://www.scribd.com/doc/51086828/...002-12-23-Rumsfeld-Donald-H-Less-Redacted-044

If you have evidence he was deputized tell it to Rumsfeld

Let's pretend we lived in a mythical world where there was a standing order to shoot down hijacked civilian aircraft within American airspace on 9/11/2001

And in this mythical world the VPs are deputized?

He can (and probably should) call the President if making a decision after being deputized, if for nothing else to inform him of pending matters in a crisis.

Are there any holograms in this mythical world of deputized VPs and standing orders to shoot down planes?
Realty sux huh?

 

[LSSBB]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/51086828/...002-12-23-Rumsfeld-Donald-H-Less-Redacted-044

If you have evidence he was deputized tell it to Rumsfeld

Ok, now, tell me, how does NORAD (or NORTHCOM) know whether the Vice President has been deputized?

ETA: Oh by the way, I never claimed he was deputized. I've only been asking if you knew the process, because it is key to your argument.

 

[jimd3100]

ETA: Oh by the way, I never claimed he was deputized

Neither has anyone else. I wonder why? Can you think of any reasons?

Maybe he was deputized by beachnut when in 2006 after Cheney shot his friend in the face, beachnut used his time travel machine and did the honor....

After Dick shot his buddy, I put him in the chain of command like many others in the military. We don't want to get shot

 

[LSSBB]

Neither has anyone else. I wonder why? Can you think of any reasons?

Maybe he was deputized by beachnut when in 2006 after Cheney shot his friend in the face, beachnut used his time travel machine and did the honor....

Funny. By the way, to rephrase my question, when NORAD, NORTHCOM, or any other combatant command gets an order from the Vice President, what do you think they would do?

 

[LashL]

I realize that 24 Canadians were killed in the attacks, but even so, hearing Canadians calling for George Bush or Donald Rumsfeld to be tried for treason or whatever just seems odd.

Yes, it seems odd to me as well, and I'm Canadian.

It would be the equivalent of an American posting on a message board demanding a "new investigation" of Brian Mulrooney and Airbus.

Indeed. (And, for the record, it's Mulroney with only one 'o', and I worked on one of the civil lawsuits that came out of that fiasco. It was pretty bizarre.)

/OT

 

[jimd3100]

Funny. By the way, to rephrase my question, when NORAD, NORTHCOM, or any other combatant command gets an order from the Vice President, what do you think they would do?

The 9-11 commission has answered that. They would ignore it and instead tell pilots to ID, type, and tail.

A shootdown authorization was not communicated to the NORAD air defense sector until 28 minutes after United 93 had crashed in Pennsylvania. Planes were scrambled, but ineffectively, as they did not know where to go or what targets they were to intercept. And once the shootdown order was given, it was not communicated to the pilots. In short, while leaders in Washington believed that the fighters circling above them had been instructed to "take out" hostile aircraft, the only orders actually conveyed to the pilots were to "ID type and tail."

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Exec.htm

"I don't know," said Technical Sergeant Watson, on the line to the FAA, "but somebody's gotta get the President going."

http://books.google.com/books?id=_3...&resnum=1&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Newly published audio this week reveals that Vice President Dick Cheney’s infamous Sept. 11, 2001 order to shoot down rogue civilian aircraft was ignored by military officials, who instead ordered pilots to only identify suspect aircraft.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/08/military-officials-ignored-cheneys-911-shoot-down-order/

 

[LSSBB]

The 9-11 commission has answered that. They would ignore it and instead tell pilots to ID, type, and tail.

So, two things then:

• Did they ever ask for confirmation whether the Vice President had been duly deputized, when they received the order?
  
• Does it matter that the VP ordered a shoot-down, since NORAD ignored him anyway?

 

[Edx]

Thank you DGM.

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DAAUM Im hungry now.

 

[beachnut]

Neither has anyone else. I wonder why? Can you think of any reasons?

Maybe he was deputized by beachnut when in 2006 after Cheney shot his friend in the face, beachnut used his time travel machine and did the honor....

How is your Cheney shoot down, military stand down delusion going? Pulitzer? News coverage? Anything?

What does prisonPlanet think?
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=181511.5;wap2
Or 911Blogger, a truth Nazi site?
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-11-15/911-stand-down
Any Pulitzer recommended here?
http://liberatingmemes.wordpress.co...icials-ignored-cheney’s-911-shoot-down-order/
Here? Where super news is super... super! Simply super duper..., like wowzer... wow ( a paranoid forum, a storm is coming... lol)
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/4583509/1/
Here we have the delusion the MSM believes what you believe. Who said that? ... just wowzer... Pulitzer is coming.
http://www.truthaction.org/forum/vi...start=15&sid=9aed0f47e432f15dd3454775062b159f

It took about 10 years, but the MSM is finally starting to understand that Cheney giving shoot down orders is the same thing as a stand down.

lol


911 was an emergency, commanders can exercise judgement, no permission needed to take action; like the Passengers on Flight 93 did. ... makes a made up illogical nonsensical "shoot down, means, stand down" a failure, however, a success at getting attention by spamming the net.

 

[jimd3100]

So, two things then:

• Did they ever ask for confirmation whether the Vice President had been duly deputized, when they received the order?

• 
  
  The VP doesn't get deputized. He gets sworn in. He gets sworn in after the president is dead. The president wasn't dead so it didn't happen.
  
  
  

  Does it matter that the VP ordered a shoot-down, since NORAD ignored him anyway?

They wouldn't be ignoring orders from Bush or Rumsfeld. That is the point. Why is Cheney giving the orders? He isn't authorized. Why wasn't Rumsfeld or Bush assuming their duties as Commander in Chief and Sec of Defense?

 

[LSSBB]

The VP doesn't get deputized. He gets sworn in. He gets sworn in after the president is dead. The president wasn't dead so it didn't happen.

They wouldn't be ignoring orders from Bush or Rumsfeld. That is the point. Why is Cheney giving the orders? He isn't authorized. Why wasn't Rumsfeld or Bush assuming their duties as Commander in Chief and Sec of Defense?

The VP does get deputized. Read the Department of Defense Directive Number 5100.30. It says nothing about the President being dead, just the VP duly deputized. That still doesn't answer the question of whether they asked for confirmation.

Did Bush give any orders that day?
Did Rumsfeld?

 

[jimd3100]

The VP is part of the NCA, who said he was not part of the chain?!

The 9-11 commission, Anthoney Summers and Robbyn Swann, Donald Rumsfeld, Department of Defense Directive Number 5100.30, and John Farmer to name a few.

I served in the USAF for 28 years active duty;

And still doesn't know his military chain of command.

If Sen Graham is too stupid to figure it out, it is his problem.

I wouldn't be calling anyone stupid if I were you.

 

[jimd3100]

The VP does get deputized. Read the Department of Defense Directive Number 5100.30. It says nothing about the President being dead, just the VP duly deputized. That still doesn't answer the question of whether they asked for confirmation.

This is the only time the word deputized appears in Department of Defense Directive Number 5100.30 I do not see the words "Vice President" in this document.

3.1. National Command Authorities (NCA). The NCA consists only of the President and the Secretary of Defense or their duly deputized alternates or successors.

http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/blaw/dodd/corres/pdf2/d510030p.pdf

"Prior to 9/11, it was understood that an order to shoot down a commercial aircraft would have to be issued by the National Command Authority (a phrase used to describe the president and secretary of defense)." page 17/46
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf