Could the very high rate of mental illness in Europe be related to religion decline?

[X]

Nope, and in his latest posts it's painfully obvious he's trying to wriggle his way out of the hole he'd dug himself into.

I'm just waiting until DOC realizes that his digging is undercutting the foundation of his argument. His argument is wrong, of course, but if you're undercutting any possible point you could have been trying to make in order to avoid admitting error, why not just man-up and admit you were wrong?

 

[TimCallahan]

I copied this post by Paulhoff from the God-punishes-with-natural-disasters thread (hilite added):

Funny, it seems the less religious the country is, the lower the homicide rate.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

Tell us about that edge.

Paul

This would seem to fit this thread, since a high homicide rate, like a high rate of mental illness, could be used as an indicator that abandoning God devastates a society. However, as Paul has noted, homicide rates go down with a decline in religious observance.

 

[Edward Palamar]

that the assertion of the OP does not hold up when the evidence is examined.

When it is examined, it is not something against which is spoken.

 

[Akhenaten]

When it is examined, it is not something against which is spoken.

Geeze, I'm glad we got that sorted out.

 

[joobz]

Geeze, I'm glad we got that sorted out.

There were twelve words in Palamar's sentence.

I know and understand the definitions of all words.
8 words are monosyllabic
3 words are disyllabic
1 word is trisyllabic

The sentence contains a subject and verb that are in agreement. Hence it is not a fragmented sentence.

The pronoun it refers to "the OP", and hence is not undefined.
The direct object is "Something".
"which is spoken" is a vague, but seems to be the OP as well.

and yet, I have still no clue what Palamar is trying to say.

The best I could come up with is:
"When the OP is examined, the OP is not something against the OP."

 

[Cainkane1]

This is my last post on this thread but I want to say this before I leave. Some of the sorriest, most obnoxious, vile worthless people I have ever met in my life wouldn't miss church if their lives depended on it. We're talking ministers, deacons etc.

 

[DOC]

I copied this post by Paulhoff from the God-punishes-with-natural-disasters thread (hilite added):

Funny, it seems the less religious the country is, the lower the homicide rate.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

Tell us about that edge.

Paul

This would seem to fit this thread, since a high homicide rate, like a high rate of mental illness, could be used as an indicator that abandoning God devastates a society. However, as Paul has noted, homicide rates go down with a decline in religious observance.

Yes, but it might take a thousand years of those low rates to make up for all the deaths caused by Hitler 60 million, Stalin 20 million, and Mao 40 million.

And things might change as Europe becomes more multicultural and less affluent. Remember what happened in Norway when that guy killed around 70 people about 6 months ago.

 

[dafydd]

Yes but it might take a thousand years of those low rates to make up for all the deaths caused by Hitler 60 million, Stalin 20 million, Mao 40 million.

You don't know the difference between the homicide rate and war? Hitler was a Christian. The Spanish Conquistadors who did such a good job of wiping out the natives of South America were Christians.

 

[Justinian2]

The OP was:

I was surprised to see just how high the figures for mental illness are in Europe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44394646/#.Tma_hI672_I

I maintain that an increase in secularism and decrease in religiosity could be a major reason.

secularism: indifference to or rejection or exclusion of religion and religious considerations

religiosity: : religious; especially: excessively, obtrusively, or sentimentally religious

From Wikipedia, the definition of Satan:

satan: Satan (Hebrew: הַשָּׂטָן ha-Satan), "the opposer", is the title of various entities, both human and divine, who challenge the faith of humans in the Hebrew Bible. In Christianity and Islam the title became a personal name, and "Satan" changed from an accuser appointed by God to test men's faith to the chief of the rebellious fallen angels ("the devil" in Christianity, "Shaitan" in Arabic, the term used by Arab Christians and Muslims).

We could extrapolate the OP to imply that Satan as the opposer of religion is to blame.

Now when I say religion is good, I don't say that all churches are good or that religious hypocrites are good. We know that Satan (the opposer in human or divine form) is active in many churches and even in this forum.

 

[Justinian2]

You don't know the difference between the homicide rate and war? Hitler was a Christian. The Spanish Conquistadors who did such a good job of wiping out the natives of South America were Christians.

Find an opposer of religion and you will find Satan.

 

[Foster Zygote]

We know that Satan (the opposer in human or divine form) is active in many churches and even in this forum.

No, I'm pretty sure that it's mostly Darth Vader, and a little bit of Professor Fate, but no Satan.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Find an opposer of religion and you will find Satan.

Who do we have to hang out with to find leprechauns?

 

[Mudcat]

Yes, but it might take a thousand years of those low rates to make up for all the deaths caused by Hitler 60 million, Stalin 20 million, and Mao 40 million.

And things might change as Europe becomes more multicultural and less affluent. Remember what happened in Norway when that guy killed around 70 people about 6 months ago.

Repeating the same flawed argument over and over again and expecting a different result is textbook insanity DOC.

 

[joobz]

Yes, but it might take a thousand years of those low rates to make up for all the deaths caused by Hitler 60 million, Stalin 20 million, and Mao 40 million.

And things might change as Europe becomes more multicultural and less affluent. Remember what happened in Norway when that guy killed around 70 people about 6 months ago.

Your posts are evil.

 

[Justinian2]

I was surprised to see just how high the figures for mental illness are in Europe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44394646/#.Tma_hI672_I

I maintain that an increase in secularism and decrease in religiosity could be a major reason.

Yes, the decline of religion could be the reason for insanity. Look at what gets substituted in the place of religion. Look at where people find solace and spiritual guidance.

In lieu of religion, people find their answers in the insanity of the law, government, war, drugs, rap songs, and video games. No wonder insanity is on the increase!

Yes, Satan could be defined as a person or deity that opposes religion. He could also be defined as a person that trashes religion from within or a person that uses religion as camouflage.

 

[AdMan]

Find an opposer of religion and you will find Satan.

How does Satan fit in with your beliefs in Scientology, Justinian?

 

[jond]

Find an opposer of religion and you will find Satan.

I didn't realize L Ron Hoover's First Church of Appliantology believed in Satan. Learn something new every day!

 

[Foster Zygote]

Yes, but it might take a thousand years of those low rates to make up for all the deaths caused by Hitler 60 million, Stalin 20 million, and Mao 40 million.

Hitler was a Christian, DOC.

And things might change as Europe becomes more multicultural and less affluent. Remember what happened in Norway when that guy killed around 70 people about 6 months ago.

Those nasty multiculturalists! If those different people hadn't moved there, Anders Behring Breivik wouldn't have been forced to go on a killing spree to stop them from living together as friends and neighbors.

 

[AdMan]

From Wikipedia, the definition of Satan:

satan: Satan (Hebrew: הַשָּׂטָן ha-Satan), "the opposer", is the title of various entities, both human and divine, who challenge the faith of humans in the Hebrew Bible.

Why didn't you highlight the whole sentence, including the bolded part? I thought definitions were paramount to Scientologists. Where does LRH talk of Satan? Or are Scientologists free to pick and choose from other religions?

 

[Mudcat]

Hitler was a Christian, DOC.

So? He was also the grandson of Jews and (most likely) had homosexual tenancies. The man had issues with self loathing, and also likely had brain damage from when he was a house painter (during a time when they still used lead in paint). Imagine if they had the medical, psychological, and chemical advances we have now back then, might have stopped Hitler from becoming the monster he became.

So DOC, explain to us what is the alternative if you would be so kind.