My anecdotal claims

[Brombadil]

All I would say, based on the configuration of the cards, is that you are in a tough situation. You are playing a waiting game with your career and in the meantime you have to provide for someone. You have responsibilities and goals.

But there is competition in your way, and you have to entertain the notion that you won't be able to defeat your competition. You might have to retreat and re-evaluate your career plans.

Translation: I dont have the foggiest idea what im talking about and unless I can give you general suggestions relative to anyone alive then im basically gonna be forced to take a shot in the dark like anyone else who dosent have the powers to "see" into people

 

[ExMinister]

Yep. Like how the Tao contains both yin and yang.




The trickster archetype is like a psychic reflex in the collective unconscious. It is triggered by psychic ability. You can't have psi without the trickster, just like you can't have sense without nonsense, can't have good without evil, can't have Revelation without riddles.




None that come to the top of my head but I'll give it some thought.

Fair enough, thanks.

So are you saying that psychic ability is just as likely to be wrong as right?

You said it's very important to develop psychic ability to avoid the bad afterlife scenario, so, just curious, have you had psychic experiences, besides the crime scene situation, that haven't involved the use of the I-Ching or some other divination system? Could you share them?

 

[Limbo]

Hmmmm. I'm really sorry, Limbo, but I'm afraid this really doesn't relate to me or my situation at all. I had put my career on the back burner for several years while caring for my father, however he passed away several months ago, and I have been free as a bird to pursue my dream ever since, and I have been, and I'm doing fine.

I honestly don't even understand the whole "defeat your competition" comment.

In conclusion, this reading was just another generic reading, and provided no particular insight or helpful advice to me or my situation. Thanks for trying, though.

Sure. I didn't think it would work given the fact that you didn't shuffle them yourself and given the fact that we are surrounded by skeptics. Trickster theory says skeptics inhibit psi.

 

[Brombadil]

Sure. I didn't think it would work given the fact that you didn't shuffle them yourself and given the fact that we are surrounded by skeptics.

Scotty. Fire up the escape portal. We're out of here.

 

[slingblade]

You know how much it costs to hire himself?

Let him have his customers do their own shopping.

Talk about robbing Peter to pay Paul...

 

[meg]

Sure. I didn't think it would work given the fact that you didn't shuffle them yourself and given the fact that we are surrounded by skeptics. Trickster theory says skeptics inhibit psi.

No. The reason it didn't work is because I'm not gullible enough to believe random generic statements are special magical tidbits of advice just for me.

 

[Brian-M]

Because for every ounce of useful information we accept, we have to pay for it by accepting an ounce of nonsense. The 'trickster archetype', to put it in Jungian terms, will get his due one way or another. No amount of rationality can stop it.

So in other words, using psychic ability to make predictions gets no better results than guessing? In which case, isn't it more likely that you actually are guessing, and are simply deluded about having psychic abilities?

Unfortunately for skeptics, disbelief is psi-inhibitive.

Unfortunately for non-skeptics, strong belief results in confirmation bias and self-deception, which can make you think something special has happened when it hasn't.

The trickster archetype is like a psychic reflex in the collective unconscious. It is triggered by psychic ability. You can't have psi without the trickster, just like you can't have sense without nonsense, can't have good without evil, can't have Revelation without riddles.

Why can't you have good without evil? True, without evil, there would be no need for the word "good", but this does not mean that good would not exist. The existence of "good" is independent of the presence of evil.

And what do riddles have to do with Revelation? Why couldn't the details to be revealed be revealed without means of riddle?

I'll grant you the "sense without nonsense" bit, because of the Entscheidungsproblem.

What a waste of electrons...

It's okay. They get recycled.

 

[Limbo]

No. The reason it didn't work is because I'm not gullible enough to believe random generic statements are special magical tidbits of advice just for me.

Like I said, I've given lots of readings to lots of people. There have been only two people who were dissatisfied. You and another skeptic. But hey I figured it was worth a shot.

There is something about skeptic psychology that inverts or suppresses psi. It's the trickster archetype in action. Otherwise known as the sheep-goat effect.

 

[slingblade]

Like I said, I've given lots of readings to lots of people. There have been only two people who were dissatisfied. You and another skeptic.

But the gullible ones were all happy!

There is something about skeptic psychology that inverts or suppresses psi. It's the trickster archetype in action. Otherwise known as the sheep-goat effect.

Otherwise known as "fact trumps woo."

Sorry. Thanks for playing.

 

[Limbo]

So in other words, using psychic ability to make predictions gets no better results than guessing? In which case, isn't it more likely that you actually are guessing, and are simply deluded about having psychic abilities?

In other words, for every psychic who successfully uses psychic ability to make a guess there is another psychic somewhere who is debunked because his ability gave out on him (or "tricked" him) at the wrong time, the wrong place. If you squeeze a sausage at one end it bulges at the other.

Unfortunately for non-skeptics, strong belief results in confirmation bias and self-deception, which can make you think something special has happened when it hasn't.

True.

Why can't you have good without evil? True, without evil, there would be no need for the word "good", but this does not mean that good would not exist. The existence of "good" is independent of the presence of evil.

Because people become God, then God becomes eternity, then eternity becomes the past, then the past shapes people. And people have evil in them. People have every pair of opposites in them, just like God does. Hence the whole 'made in our image' thing. It's a cycle.

And what do riddles have to do with Revelation? Why couldn't the details to be revealed be revealed without means of riddle?

What is the sound of one hand clapping? Do you know the answer to this riddle?

 

[Brian-M]

What is the sound of one hand clapping? Do you know the answer to this riddle?

Yes. It's the sound the sound produced when you clap using only one hand. This is done by vigorously striking the fingers against the base of the palm.

I'd transcribe it as a Tt sound.

 

[billydkid]

For the record, I actually knew a kid who could clap with one hand. And also for the record, I also read J.D.Salinger. Try this instead of some sort of act of divination. Just just offering some, any, significant insight into the nature of our existence. I'm not talking some wishy washy, touchy feely, Carlos Castaneda, Indian Yogi BS. I talking a significant, meaningful revelation that is confirmable or demonstrable that isn't obvious in day to day existence and is pertinent to existence. And that line about skepticism suppressing psi - priceless.

 

[tsig]

In other words, for every psychic who successfully uses psychic ability to make a guess there is another psychic somewhere who is debunked because his ability gave out on him (or "tricked" him) at the wrong time, the wrong place.




True.




Because people become God, then God becomes eternity, then eternity becomes the past, then the past shapes people. And people have evil in them. People have every pair of opposites in them, just like God does. Hence the whole 'made in our image' thing. It's a cycle.




What is the sound of one hand clapping? Do you know the answer to this riddle?

If it's going to fail you when a skeptics around or the Trickster plays a prank then it doesn't sound like something you'd want to put a lot of trust in.

 

[Limbo]

For the record, I actually knew a kid who could clap with one hand. And also for the record, I also read J.D.Salinger. Try this instead of some sort of act of divination. Just just offering some, any, significant insight into the nature of our existence. I'm not talking some wishy washy, touchy feely, Carlos Castaneda, Indian Yogi BS. I talking a significant, meaningful revelation that is confirmable or demonstrable that isn't obvious in day to day existence and is pertinent to existence. And that line about skepticism suppressing psi - priceless.

lol

Billy, the nature of reality is collective consciousness. You can confirm that yourself by transforming your own consciousness and seeing what happens.

If you don't transform your consciousness you won't be able to climb out of your body when you die. So your spirit will die too. If your spirit dies you will go through hell and be reincarnated. If your spirit lives you will go on to a nice afterlife. Our psychic ability is like a ladder that we can climb out of our bodies and into eternity.

 

[slingblade]

lol

Billy, the nature of reality is collective consciousness. You can confirm that yourself by transforming your own consciousness and seeing what happens.

If you don't transform your consciousness you won't be able to climb out of your body when you die. So your spirit will die too. If your spirit dies you will go through hell and be reincarnated. If your spirit lives you will go on to a nice afterlife.

But if you take the red pill...

Just click your heels three times, and say...

There is no Dana, only Zuul!

 

[meg]

Like I said, I've given lots of readings to lots of people. There have been only two people who were dissatisfied. You and another skeptic. But hey I figured it was worth a shot.

There is something about skeptic psychology that inverts or suppresses psi. It's the trickster archetype in action. Otherwise known as the sheep-goat effect.

People being happy with your readings has nothing to do with whether you have psychic abilities it not. It only speaks to their level of gullibility. Most people are happy with the psychic readings they get at Renaissance fairs and carnivals, too.

 

[Limbo]

People being happy with your readings has nothing to do with whether you have psychic abilities it not. It only speaks to their level of gullibility. Most people are happy with the psychic readings they get at Renaissance fairs and carnivals, too.

No it has to do with intent and belief. If you don't want to see a good reading or don't believe its really possible, then you won't. Simple as that. Your mind either lets it happen or it stops it from happening. It's your psi that makes it work.

And since we are not alone in this thread, your mind is not the only one with a say-so. The other skeptics, who have psi of their own, are aware of the reading don't want to see you get a good reading either. It would spoil their fun.

It's called the sheep-goat effect and there is evidence to support it. But goats don't care about all that.

 

[Elizabeth I]

Sure. I didn't think it would work given the fact that you didn't shuffle them yourself and given the fact that we are surrounded by skeptics. Trickster theory says skeptics inhibit psi.

I do believe this is a grand slam of woo excuses.

It's called the sheep-goat effect and there is evidence to support it. But goats don't care about all that.

Followed up by the requisite "I'm special and you're not, nyah nyah nyah."

 

[meg]

Limbo, you have no psychic abilities. You have been flattering yourself and just feeding off their belief in nonsense. You sir, are the trickster. And I'm not talking about an archetype. Just an everyday snakeoil salesman.

 

[Brombadil]

If you don't want to see a good reading or don't believe its possible, then you won't. Simple as that.

How the universe works is outside of what we want to see or not. I could stop believing in gravity and still wont have to worry about floating off the planet.

It either works or it dosent. Simple as that.

Your mind either lets it happen or it stops it from happening.

So your finally admitting all this is just in your head?

And since we are not alone in this thread, your mind is not the only one with a say-so. The other skeptics who are aware of the reading don't want to see you get a good reading either. It would spoil their fun.

One of my favorite things about watching mystics and apologetics is demonizing the opposition. I dont think you understand that were not your enemy in any way. Your simply proposing something that is nonsensical and no one is willing to buy into it. You have demonstrated that these "powers" is simply using a vague statement that could apply to anyone and anything and hoping the person is gullible enough to make the connection themselves and feel it is personal.

If you replace the word skeptic with "someone that actually thinks" then we might seem less evil to you.

It's called the sheep-goat effect and there is evidence to support it. But goats don't care about all that.

Its almost offensive you use the word evidence, and Im sorry to say but its the "goats" that employ evidence to to find solutions and support conclusions, not people who think the universe is talking to them through floating leaves in their tea.