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My anecdotal claims

My response to the three card reading:

So far, I have to say, I see nothing that doesn't look like every other kind of fortune telling "tool" I've ever seen. If you look at any tarot, runes, or other methods you see a pattern in every card, layout, and in the way that fortunes are told.

It starts out with random and vaguely flattering charisteristics that have no concrete meaning, and that most people would be hard pressed to define any concrete behavior or action as typical or exemplifying of that characteristic. For example, how would you describe inner grace? What are strong feminine qualities? Are strong feminine qualities "pronounced" feminine qualities? Or are they the qualities of a strong female? Given that this makes a pretty broad interpretation spectrum, and that there are probably very few people on the planet that would disagree if someone told them that they had something like "inner grace", this could be used to describe anyone, really. Just in case the words have nothing to do with your personality, the tool says "this could be your subconscious attribute", so the gullible can be guiled into thinking this magic tool knows more about them than they do themselves.

Then the fortune goes on to describe your "conflicting energy", which people that have a problem take to mean "you have a problem" and people that don't have a problem take to mean "watch out! This might cause a problem." These are always very vague, undefined "energies", so that anything that is happening in your life probably matches one.

In this fortune, you tell me that my "conflict" is the "marrying maiden" and that my life has gotten me into a "compromising position". I really don't understand what you mean. Are you trying to say I've been "fooling around" (compromising position) and now I need to pay the price? ie, get married? Or are you saying I need to do some sort of compromising? Are you saying that now is the time to unite two things/people/ideas/projects/whatever? Can you see how all of those are so absolutely vague that they could be advice for just about anyone at any time?

A good fortune always makes sure to include some sage advice about starting things, holding off on things, perservering through things, staying the course, straying off the course, and ending things, as well as advising that there is great danger, but you are not alone, because pretty much every single moment of your life can be described by those tidbits, except for the great danger part, but everybody likes that part because it's exciting and makes them feel brave.

And what do you know.. this fortune says beginnings are hard, perserverance is good, nothing should be undertaken, and there is great danger, don't go it alone.
 
ExMinister said:
Why?
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Because unity expresses itself as pairs of opposites to paraphrase the Buddha. Because God is coincidentia oppositorum

Also, I really am curious to know which books you recommend (please see my post above), and what exactly you feel the ETs are, if not aliens?
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OK sure. In addition to the books I've already linked to in this thread, here are a few off the top of my head.

Alien Identities : Ancient Insights into Modern UFO Phenomena
Angels and Aliens
Passport to Magonia: On UFOs, Folklore, and Parallel Worlds
The Invisible College
 
meg said:
In this fortune, you tell me that my "conflict" is the "marrying maiden" and that my life has gotten me into a "compromising position". I really don't understand what you mean.
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You could just ask, or maybe google hexagram 54 and read a bit about it. See if it resonates with your external circumstances.

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/gua/hexagrams/hexagram54.php

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"Receiving Hexagram 54 often reflects a very insecure, frustrating situation. But although this is change you didn't ask for and can't control, it could still be bringing you something of value. 'Marriage' can also mean finding your own place and fulfilling your destiny."
 
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meg said:
So far, I have to say, I see nothing that doesn't look like every other kind of fortune telling "tool" I've ever seen. If you look at any tarot, runes, or other methods you see a pattern in every card, layout, and in the way that fortunes are told.
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That's because all systems of divination are based on what I would call Jungian synchronicity. It's a psychic phenomena. If you don't allow your psi to influence the randomness of the cards or whatever, then you won't see your archetypal situation reflected in them.

Unfortunately for skeptics, disbelief is psi-inhibitive.

Unfortunately for believers, belief alone doesn't guarantee success.
 
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slingblade said:
Oh, that's not bad.

Offer to do a "reading," then throw a bunch of concept words at someone, and let them attempt to connect the words in some way to their life, to find the "interpretation." That way, Limbo doesn't have to make any guesses or do the reading, and risk not being accurate.

Meg does all the work!
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You know how much it costs to hire himself?

Let him have his customers do their own shopping.
 
Limbo said:
You could just ask, or maybe google hexagram 54 and read a bit about it. See if it resonates with your external circumstances.

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/gua/hexagrams/hexagram54.php

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"Receiving Hexagram 54 often reflects a very insecure, frustrating situation. But although this is change you didn't ask for and can't control, it could still be bringing you something of value. 'Marriage' can also mean finding your own place and fulfilling your destiny."
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There is no one with whom that wouldn't somehow "resonate."
 
Limbo said:
OK Meg here you go. Cards 1, 3, and 5 represent you. Cards 2, 4, and 6 represent your career. Card 7 represents the insight card, the wisdom card.

Cards 1 and 2 represent the "ground" upon which each of you stands and indicates the factors influencing the roots or foundations of this groundedness. These cards also reveal where, at present, each partner is coming from. In addition, they not only expose strengths and the firmness of one's anchoring, but also what may undermine this security in either or both of you.

Card 1, you, is hexagram 5 - Waiting.

-perseverance
-restraint
-right timing

Card 2, your career, is hexagram 58 - The Joyous.

-goodwill
-open communication
-happiness

Cards 3 and 4 represent the emotional climate. They focus on the dynamic that supports harmony within each party, and on the the challenges that each party faces in assuming greater responsibility to clear up discord or unblock communication. These cards are in the heart position and, as such, can uncover areas of vulnerability and lack of trust. They can also shed light on emotional wounds, and on the hidden fears and habits we have developed to camouflage them.

Card 3, you, is hexagram 27 - Nourishment

-providing for others
-well-being

Card 4, your career, is hexagram 43 - Resoluteness

-no compromises
-unwavering focus

Cards 5 and 6 focus on the state of mind, on the perspective, the longings, the hopes and fears of each partner - and your attitudes toward them. This position can be the catalyst for a breakthrough in your thinking. It can help you acquire a new perspective by supporting you in approaching the relationship more openly and without being defensive.

Card 5, you is hexagram 49 - Revolution

-transformation
-a radical change
-give up the old to make way for the new

Card 6, your career, is hexagram 6 - Conflict

-competitiveness
-stubborness

Card 7 represents the insight card of the here and now.

Hexagram 33 - Retreat

-letting go
-reevaluation
-don't hesitate to walk away

I await your interpretation.
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Limbo, can you see how every one of these is so vague as to "resonate" with just about any career?

As far as I can tell, every one of these careers might fit in with that.

Cafeteria lunch lady
Air traffic controller
Hospice care volunteer
Fiction writer
Winemaker
Internet technology project manager
Nurse
Political activist
Insurance adjuster
Marketing consultant
Retail salesperson
Farmer
Veterinary assistant
Pilot

Can you tell, based on that reading, or your psychic powers, which one I have?
 
meg said:
Can you tell, based on that reading, or your psychic powers, which one I have?
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All I would say, based on the configuration of the cards, is that you are in a tough situation. You are playing a waiting game with your career and in the meantime you have to provide for someone. You have responsibilities and goals.

But there is competition in your way, and you have to entertain the notion that you won't be able to defeat your competition. You might have to retreat and re-evaluate your career plans.
 
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meg said:
Limbo, can you see how every one of these is so vague as to "resonate" with just about any career?

As far as I can tell, every one of these careers might fit in with that.

Cafeteria lunch lady
Air traffic controller
Hospice care volunteer
Fiction writer
Winemaker
Internet technology project manager
Nurse
Political activist
Insurance adjuster
Marketing consultant
Retail salesperson
Farmer
Veterinary assistant
Pilot

Can you tell, based on that reading, or your psychic powers, which one I have?
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You're a "Fiction writer"
Because, almost all of those listed, are not your career.
 
Limbo said:
You could just ask, or maybe google hexagram 54 and read a bit about it. See if it resonates with your external circumstances.

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/gua/hexagrams/hexagram54.php

[...]

"Receiving Hexagram 54 often reflects a very insecure, frustrating situation. But although this is change you didn't ask for and can't control, it could still be bringing you something of value. 'Marriage' can also mean finding your own place and fulfilling your destiny."
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Ok. So you are telling me that "marrying maiden" doesn't actually have anything to do with marriages or maidens, it just represents stuff, namely helplessness, change, and that sort of thing, right?
 
Limbo said:
OK Meg here you go. Cards 1, 3, and 5 represent you. Cards 2, 4, and 6 represent your career. Card 7 represents the insight card, the wisdom card.

Cards 1 and 2 represent the "ground" upon which each of you stands and indicates the factors influencing the roots or foundations of this groundedness. These cards also reveal where, at present, each partner is coming from. In addition, they not only expose strengths and the firmness of one's anchoring, but also what may undermine this security in either or both of you.

Card 1, you, is hexagram 5 - Waiting.

-perseverance
-restraint
-right timing

Card 2, your career, is hexagram 58 - The Joyous.

-goodwill
-open communication
-happiness

Cards 3 and 4 represent the emotional climate. They focus on the dynamic that supports harmony within each party, and on the the challenges that each party faces in assuming greater responsibility to clear up discord or unblock communication. These cards are in the heart position and, as such, can uncover areas of vulnerability and lack of trust. They can also shed light on emotional wounds, and on the hidden fears and habits we have developed to camouflage them.

Card 3, you, is hexagram 27 - Nourishment

-providing for others
-well-being

Card 4, your career, is hexagram 43 - Resoluteness

-no compromises
-unwavering focus

Cards 5 and 6 focus on the state of mind, on the perspective, the longings, the hopes and fears of each partner - and your attitudes toward them. This position can be the catalyst for a breakthrough in your thinking. It can help you acquire a new perspective by supporting you in approaching the relationship more openly and without being defensive.

Card 5, you is hexagram 49 - Revolution

-transformation
-a radical change
-give up the old to make way for the new

Card 6, your career, is hexagram 6 - Conflict

-competitiveness
-stubborness

Card 7 represents the insight card of the here and now.

Hexagram 33 - Retreat

-letting go
-reevaluation
-don't hesitate to walk away

I await your interpretation.
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You await Meg's interpretation? I thought you were the fortuneteller here.
 
Limbo said:
That's because all systems of divination are based on what I would call Jungian synchronicity. It's a psychic phenomena. If you don't allow your psi to influence the randomness of the cards or whatever, then you won't see your archetypal situation reflected in them.

Unfortunately for skeptics, disbelief is psi-inhibitive.

Unfortunately for believers, belief alone doesn't guarantee success.
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A much simpler explanation would be that all forms of divination are based on what I would call Barnumian deception, wherein the fraudulent huckster throws out lots of random and unrelated pronouncements and waits for the "fish" to grab onto one and get reeled in.

Unfortunately for the hucksters, once they've invested so much time and money in learning the skill, they start to believe it themselves.

Don't worry, though. You can get through this. We can help you, Limbo. You've come to the right place.
 
Limbo said:
Because unity expresses itself as pairs of opposites to paraphrase the Buddha. Because God is coincidentia oppositorum




OK sure. In addition to the books I've already linked to in this thread, here are a few off the top of my head.

Alien Identities : Ancient Insights into Modern UFO Phenomena
Angels and Aliens
Passport to Magonia: On UFOs, Folklore, and Parallel Worlds
The Invisible College
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Thanks.

I may be oversimplifying but are you saying that God contains both good and evil? Do I have that right? I am familiar with the basic concept of yin/yang, and I am familiar with the trickster figure in some Native American belief systems, but I am not familiar with the trickster figure being used in relation to psychic ability. How specifically does that work?

Do you also have books you recommend about developing psi/psychopomp/the grim aferlife thing? And how is it that you came to believe this? Is there a personal story behind it?
 
ExMinister said:
Thanks.

I may be oversimplifying but are you saying that God contains both good and evil? Do I have that right?
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Yep. Like how the Tao contains both yin and yang.

I am familiar with the basic concept of yin/yang, and I am familiar with the trickster figure in some Native American belief systems, but I am not familiar with the trickster figure being used in relation to psychic ability. How specifically does that work?
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The trickster archetype is like a psychic reflex in the collective unconscious. It is triggered by psychic ability. You can't have psi without the trickster, just like you can't have sense without nonsense, can't have good without evil, can't have Revelation without riddles.

Do you also have books you recommend about developing psi/psychopomp/the grim aferlife thing? And how is it that you came to believe this? Is there a personal story behind it?
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None that come to the top of my head but I'll give it some thought.
 
Limbo said:
All I would say, based on the configuration of the cards, is that you are in a tough situation. You are playing a waiting game with your career and in the meantime you have to provide for someone. You have responsibilities and goals.

But there is competition in your way, and you have to entertain the notion that you won't be able to defeat your competition. You might have to retreat and re-evaluate your career plans.
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Hmmmm. I'm really sorry, Limbo, but I'm afraid this really doesn't relate to me or my situation at all. I had put my career on the back burner for several years while caring for my father, however he passed away several months ago, and I have been free as a bird to pursue my dream ever since, and I have been, and I'm doing fine.

I honestly don't even understand the whole "defeat your competition" comment.

In conclusion, this reading was just another generic reading, and provided no particular insight or helpful advice to me or my situation. Thanks for trying, though.
 
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