Rick Santorum is an idiot, a bigot, and morally inconsistent...

RandFan said:
It's not about liking gays. It's not about his personal morals influencing decisions. It's about inconsistency.
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Your partisan video takes snippets of speaches he made left and right out of context, so of course it looks inconsistent, that's what the editor of the video intended.

Yes he is a Christian, and yes his religion influences his policies, but he's also American and he knows this has its limits, and he will run into opposition if he goes too far.

Again, not very extraordinary.
 
Pardalis said:
Your partisan video takes snippets of speaches he made left and right out of context, so of course it looks inconsistent, that's what the editor of the video intended.

Yes he is a Christian, and yes his religion influences his policies, but he's also American and he knows this has its limits, and he will run into opposition if he goes too far.

Again, not very extraordinary.
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Okay Pardalis. Thank you for your opinion and input. I find your point unconvincing. Sure it's edited. It's not as if Santorum doesn't have a history. Reasonably can disagree. I won't disparage you or your opinion as mine was in the OWS thread.
 
Pardalis said:
Yes he is a Christian, and yes his religion influences his policies, but he's also American and he knows this has its limits, and he will run into opposition if he goes too far.
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Perhaps you don't realize that with the current court stacking, there are no longer the limits you speak of?
 
Santorum's view of homosexuality.

This isn't taken out of context. It's disgusting and contrary to our views of liberty. It contradicts directly his other claim about the legality of sin.

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Santorum made his comments in a segment of an April 2003 interview with the Associated Press discussing a recent United States Supreme Court decision striking down an anti-sodomy law. Santorum argued that consenting adults do not have a constitutional right to privacy, and that the recent court decision effectively was legalizing bestiality, polygamy, adultery, and sodomy, all of which he believed undermined society and the family.
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Pardalis said:
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I don't think he's any more bigoted than any other Christian, Muslim or Jew out there in the political arena in the US. People who are religious don't like gays, that's well known.
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There is a difference between not liking gays and saying that SCOTUS's Lawrence v. Texas decision (which struck down a sodomy law thereby legalizing same-sex sex) effectively legalized bestiality and polygamy. If the word bestiality comes up during a discussion of the rights of gay people, then it is pretty fair to call the speaker a close-minded, pandering bigot.
 
Ladewig said:
There is a difference between not liking gays and saying that SCOTUS's Lawrence v. Texas decision (which struck down a sodomy law thereby legalizing same-sex sex) effectively legalized bestiality and polygamy. If the word bestiality comes up during a discussion of the rights of gay people, then it is pretty fair to call the speaker a close-minded, pandering bigot.
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Wich makes him no different than any other religious person out there.

Why you choose to pick on this one is maybe because this is a slow news day and you need your daily fix of Republican bashing.
 
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Pardalis said:
Wich makes him no different than any other religious person out there.
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Yes it does. Americans United For The Separation For Church And State is run by a Christian minister. I have lots of friends who are Christian who believe in gay rights.

I belong to a number of face book groups that are for gay rights and are populated by Christians. Some are explicitly Christian.
Christians for Gay Rights.

Steve Sprinkle is a Christian Minister who advocates for the rights of LGBT.

I could provide a long list if you like.

This is something else that really pisses me off about Santorum. He speaks as if he speaks on behalf of Christians and god. No, Rick, you do NOT.
 
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Pardalis said:
Wich makes him no different than any other religious person out there.
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Have any other Republican candidates or prominent Republicans mentioned bestiality during discussions of homosexual rights?



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My bad
In January, Mike Huckabee linked gay sex to bestiality and abortion to slavery in an interview , explaining why, if elected, he would try to amend the constitution.

"Marriage has ... as long as there's been human history, meant a man and a woman in a relationship for life. Once we change that definition, then where does it go from there?" he asked in an interview with online "Beliefnet" magazine.

"Well, I don't think that's a radical view, to say we're going to affirm marriage. I think the radical view is to say that we're going to change the definition of marriage so that it can mean two men, two women, a man and three women, a man and a child, a man and animal," he added.​


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Mr. Huckabee get bonus bigot points for linking pedophilia to discussions of gay marriage.
 
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TragicMonkey said:
From the title I thought the long-overdue inevitable Rick Santorum gay sex scandal had finally broken.
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My gut feeling is that Santorum is as completely "moral" as he sells himself; just really, really boring. It might be nice to know he's a little more immoral than he presents himself, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
elbe said:
My gut feeling is that Santorum is as completely "moral" as he sells himself; just really, really boring. It might be nice to know he's a little more immoral than he presents himself, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I don't find him moral. Morality is about how we treat other people to maximize well being and minimize harm. This religious BS view of morality was, in part, the basis for the Inquisitions, Crusades, witch burnings, misogyny, slavery and hundreds of years of wars. I find Santorum fundamentally immoral. I think his opinions not worthy of an individual running for high office. If someone like him were vocally advocating the views of the KKK I would find that person no more immoral.
 
elbe said:
My gut feeling is that Santorum is as completely "moral" as he sells himself; just really, really boring. It might be nice to know he's a little more immoral than he presents himself, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Me neither. It's enough to know that he publically states his bigotry and his republicon (thanks, Lefty Sarge) synchoelephants just lap it up.
 
Comparing him to the KKK is a bit much, since alot of Orthodox Jews and Muslims hold the same views on homosexuality.
 
Pardalis said:
Comparing him to the KKK is a bit much, since alot of Orthodox Jews and Muslims hold the same views on homosexuality.
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I missed that. Who said it? And how does the fact that some others hold the same bigoted views have any relevance here?
 
Pardalis said:
Comparing him to the KKK is a bit much, since alot of Orthodox Jews and Muslims hold the same views on homosexuality.
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My point was about morality. I'll concede that the views of the KKK are worse than the average evangelical.
 
Jeff Corey said:
I missed that. Who said it? And how does the fact that some others hold the same bigoted views have any relevance here?
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Me, a few posts up. I'm not at all impressed with the claim that Santorum is moral. I don't thinks he is. I'm sure he thinks he is.
 
RandFan said:
Me, a few posts up. I'm not at all impressed with the claim that Santorum is moral. I don't thinks he is. I'm sure he thinks he is.
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I thought the "as If" part was that you weren't directly claiming identity, but pointing out some similarities. Which are there.
 
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