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Psychic Sally morgan caught cheating?

tuoni said:
*snip* Especially since it also isn't the same segment as she was alleging, she (or her son-in-law, if memory serves) was claiming that she'd given him a reading in person that was too good or... something.
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Not sure that is to what she was referring.I could be wrong but I dont think Sally knew Derren was involved,as everyone thought it it was a documentary by a random TV crew.
 
I know Hayley, and if you listen to her podcasts (Righetous Indignation, the Ghost Field Guide) they are well worth checking out. She is (was?) the organizer of Bath Skeptics in the Pub and is a well known skeptic speaker, and is far from being a "believer" (unlike me). Great lass, intelligent, hard working, dedicated, and uberskeptic.

cj x
 
John Jackson said:
The problem with coming out with stuff like that is that it makes you look like a narrow-minded fanatic who's making a very emotionally-charged point rather than a rational one. You'll never persuade anyone of anything if you approach the issue like that.
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Tell that to Alex Jones/Glenn Beck/John Edwards/Sylvia Browne/Simon Cowell ( the list could go on and on.) and their legions of fans. Big personalities, with strong views attract followers. The guy saying " Well maybe she could possibly not be using the methods she says.", gets ignored.

Sure, in debate world, it is great to say " If we are just nice enough people will listen.", but in the real world, people are looking for faith in your idea, they arn't going to do research and find out if your right, they are going to make their descision based on how much you seem to believe it.

And of course there is us, those in the minority who do not do this, but the difference between debate world, and the real one, is that outside of our forums, we, and those that use the same methods as us to come to conclusions are in the minority. In the acting business it is called "selling" ( for example, your doing a show in a working class town, your not going to toss in bits about how hard it is to be a doctor. ), and that is one thing i find the skeptic movement is seriously lacking, and our opposition has in spades. By being nice, and giving people the benefit of the doubt, we are essentially preaching to the choir, doing things that will impress those already in tune with our beliefs. If we want to be anything other than the minority, we need to "sell" our point of view more. We know we have the steak, now we simply need the sizzle.
 
Jack of Kent/David Allen Green tweets today that Private Eye reports that Sally Morgan suing Daily Mail for calling her a cheat. No mention I can see on their website, so presumably it's the edition which will come out later this week.

See: @davidallengreen
 
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Can't see this turning out well for her. Surely she should have just carried on business as usual and let the accusations be burred by time.
 
commandlinegamer said:
Jack of Kent/David Allen Green tweets today that Private Eye reports that Sally Morgan suing Daily Mail for calling her a cheat. No mention I can see on their website, so presumably it's the edition which will come out later this week.

See: @davidallengreen
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Just had a quick browse of the latest issue out today.
IIRC according to the Private Eye report she intends to sue unless she gets an apology from the Mail for "calling her a cheat" . Don't know about any time scale So could be a bluff of course.
 
Rrose Selavy said:
Just had a quick browse of the latest issue out today.
IIRC according to the Private Eye report she intends to sue unless she gets an apology from the Mail for "calling her a cheat" . Don't know about any time scale So could be a bluff of course.
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You remembered correctly...

Private Eye 9th Dec - 22 Dec 2011 said:
Mystic Morgan's libel lawyers, Atkin's Thomson, tell the Eye that unless the Mail apologises for implying that Morgan was a cheat they will issue a writ with demands for costs and damages
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So you cannot even imply a libel now?
Cannot imagine this getting very far in a court.
 
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zooterkin said:
So, she's claiming that she really is psychic, and the disclaimers attached to her performances are not true?
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She's claiming she didn't engage in deliberate fraud using microphones etc. There's obviously a big difference between not using such techniques (i.e. relying on simple cold reading) and being a genuine psychic, but it's not one the general public is likely to grasp. If she wins this case (which she well might, deliberate fraud would be difficult to prove even if it had indeed taken place) she'll undoubtedly spin it as proof that she is genuine, even though it will prove nothing of the sort.
 
I would like it to go to court just so more bad publicity could come to light.The Daily mail wont miss £150,000 anyway.
 
Why doesnt Sally go after the audience members who started the ball rolling?
 
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