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There is also the other side of the military hardware story; that is if it were true that such instrumentation were being sent to the moon why on Earth dream up such an over the top cover story? I mean Patrick has stated that the Soviets knew and were doing the same thing so who does that leave to fool? Only the US public, which is where it gets truly absurd. Send up your packages and tell the public they are for 'scientific research; what happens when the truth comes out? Pretty much nothing, just your typical Cold War cover story that most people will have seen through anyway. Build up some expensive, incredibly elaborate charade about landing men on the moon and what will happen if it comes out? Careers and reputations destroyed, jail time, or worse if the mob turns really ugly.
Why engage in such an unnecessary charade with its attendant risks for no good reason? Well the obvious answer is you wouldn't, and as all the evidence of Apollo shows nobody did.
 
Not inaccurate......Straight from the mouths of the principals;

<snip the irrelevant part>

Which of my above statements is inaccurate phantomwolf and please cite your support/reference for your claim with regard to said inaccuracy .

How about you actually answer the questions posed rather than the questions you wish I had posed.

Very well, he can cite me. I have described above how you failed to answer his questions. You have your reference. Now please answer his questions.

Hammer ... Nail ... Head.
 
Post #5086 seems a perfect example of Patricks refusal to address questions. He quotes Phantomwolf's post but utterly fails to adress the points raised, instead reiterating his 'lost Eagle' material one more time.

Not only did he blatently fail to answer the questions, and go off into the wilderness of his "lost Eagle" malarky, but his original answer to my questions, which is actually what I called inaccuracte, had nothing to do with his second response at all.
 
With all due respect, you are not paying attention. .

I have made a few posts in this mega-thread, so am an almost lurker. No, I am not "on the fence" as it is blindingly obvious to 99.999% of the worlds population that Apollo happened, that it was not a military operation and that 12 men walked on the moon.

It is laso blindingly obvious that it was largely a political PR stunt, but some real science was done on the moon, largely due to harrison Schmitt. Schmitt was a professional geologist before he became an astronaut, and spent a lot of time trying to pass some of his knowledge onto the crews of Apollo misssions so that they could make their time on the moon collecting samples more productive. He finally reached the moon on Apollo 17, where he collected some of the most interesting rocks collected during the program.

Many HBs seem to believe that the landings were faked because they have seen the awful programme that FOX made many years ago, or from reading crap on the internet. Patrick, however, takes this to a whole new level of absurdity. His theory seems to change continuously, he ignores evidence from posters such as Jay Utah, STS-60, RAF, Loss leader and others even though it is apparent that they know what they are talking about.

The evidence to support Apollo is an immense archive of photos,16mm film, moon rocks, tracking data from professional and amateur astronomers, radio broadcasts that were monitored by radio hams, the hundreds of people that worked at NASA and the 400,000 that designed and built the hardware.

The evidence against Apollo are misunderstandings about photographic shadows, incredulity, ignorance and a few people trying to make money from hoax "documentaries".

My view is Apollo is very very very real, all one gadzillion worthless dollars worth of it. My point is that the project is unmanned and 100% military with a public relations cover. You don't't lose a spaceship as NASAL claims to have done unless your teMple is 10 plus incompetent, and those clowns were anything but incompetent with regard to science and engineerig. Now their acting skills are another matter altogether.
 
I was under the impression the "rant" to which you were referring was..

How about you actually answer the questions posed rather than the questions you wish I had posed.



Hammer ... Nail ... Head.

I was under the impression that the rant to which you were referring was my response to spitfireixora. If that is/not the case, I apologize for my misunderstanding you.

As should be obvious, I am anything but intimidated by your mainstream view oriented questions. As mentioned , I try my best to answer the most difficult and relevant. All of this takes a great deal of time.

Have you yet learned the math describing satellite ephemerides? I have not. Though the general concepts are rather easy, mastering the MTh will take a month or so I would imagine and I am mathematically much more literate than most. You need to exercise a bit of patience here.
 
You don't't lose a spaceship as NASAL claims to have done unless your teMple is 10 plus incompetent...

You aren't even remotely qualified to judge the propriety of space vehicle operators.

Now their acting skills are another matter altogether.

Irrelevant. The only standard you've provided for measuring their "bad acting" is your uninformed, subjective opinion. How is that not simply begging the question?

Sorry, this is just the same plea you've been pushing for 5,000 posts. Argument rejected.
 
I was under the impression that the rant to which you were referring was my response to spitfireixora.

Really? Then why was I able to follow the chain of quotations back to see the entire conversation between you and Phantom Wolf? Why were you unable to read the post where I clearly identified those links? Good heavens, the conversation has been spoon-fed to you twice and you still got the attributions mixed up?

In case the chorus of correction isn't obvious: you failed to answer Phantom Wolf's questions. A fitting apology for your misunderstanding would be to answer him immediately.

As should be obvious, I am anything but intimidated by your mainstream view oriented questions.

Your obvious foot-dragging and evasion gives the impression that you are. Prove that you aren't intimidated by answering them, then.

How does characterizing a question as "mainstream" absolve you from answering it?

I find your objection quite humorous in light of your claims to be an MD. The line of reasoning you're using now is exactly the argument by which holistic healers dismiss traditional medicine.

As mentioned , I try my best to answer the most difficult and relevant. All of this takes a great deal of time.

Excuse rejected. You've posted several Wall o' Text articles over the past few days. You clearly have time to pay attention to this text, and you've answered no questions, regardless of difficulty or relevance.

Here is a list of relevant questions that I posted yesterday as a summary of questions that had been asked several days ago. If you have answered any of these questions, kindly identify the post(s) where you answered them. If you believe them to be irrelevant, please -- for each question -- explain why it is not relevant to your claims. Such an explanation would identify (1) what you believe the gist or intent of the question to be, and (2) the element of your theory that refracts or substitutes for that gist or intent.

Take all the time you want, but we'd better not see any of the repetitious walls of text while you're too "busy" to answer them.

Have you yet learned the math describing satellite ephemerides? I have not.

Clearly. Why do you think you are qualified to lecture those of us who have?

mastering the MTh will take a month or so I would imagine and I am mathematically much more literate than most.

I have seen no demonstration of your skill at mathematics. I have further seen significant evidence here that you lack any such skill. People had to explain to you what a radian was, and you seem to lack basic arithmetic skills such as for budgeting. And you seem to have no comprehension whatsoever of the geometry involved in any of your fantasy scenarios.

A couple of my questions to you were aimed at testing your ability to work orbital-mechanics mathematics. Are you now admitting that you lack the skill to compute them? If you do lack it, how much attention do you think you deserve from the professional practitioners?

You need to exercise a bit of patience here.

Why do we need to have patience with you? You've told us in nearly every post that you can't possibly be wrong. In the face of that colossal hubris, why do we need to wait for you to play catch-up? Maybe instead you should express some respect for those who already know the subject matter and who have been correcting you for months now.
 
As should be obvious, I am anything but intimidated by your mainstream view oriented questions.


Let us know how that argument works the next time you're in traffic court for a speeding ticket.

"Your honor, the Doppler effect is a mainstream scientific view so I must reject the validity of the radar gun used to measure my speed."
 
I didn't think there were any fence-sitters. There's only Patrick1000/fattydash/DoctorTea/newyorkmary/etc. making unsupported, unphysical, and frequently self-contradictory claims... and everybody else.

I was fairly sure you knew there weren't any fence sitters but thought it was worth offering support so that patrick couldn't claim he had massive support for his ideas.

Don't forget years and years of science data from the ALSEP laboratories, which were hand-deployed by the crews of five different missions. There's also lots of video, as well as orbital photography from the J-missions, and direct observation of the landing artifacts by LRO, and a great deal of flight, engineering, and test hardware still on Earth. There's also decades of science and engineering after Apollo that uses and confirms what was learned in that program. As well as the Mercury, Gemini, and unmanned programs that led up to Apollo.
Very good points. I had already mentioned Mercury and Gemini in previous posts, and had pointed out to patrick that the Gemini 7 mission lasted for 14 days. This was when he was obsessed with Apollo plumbing and hygiene and he was arguing that nobody would spend days in space without a proper bathroom.

Well, some aren't in it for money, but rather to get a reaction from the grown-ups.

I was mainly thinking of people like Bart Sibrel, but you're right some just do it to get a reaction from the grown-ups. Patrick has certainly had a big reaction to his theories.

Just rewatched the clip of Bart Sibrel getting punched by Buzz Aldrin. :D
 
Great post Multivac.......

I have made a few posts in this mega-thread, so am an almost lurker. No, I am not "on the fence" as it is blindingly obvious to 99.999% of the worlds population that Apollo happened, that it was not a military operation and that 12 men walked on the moon.

It is laso blindingly obvious that it was largely a political PR stunt, but some real science was done on the moon, largely due to harrison Schmitt. Schmitt was a professional geologist before he became an astronaut, and spent a lot of time trying to pass some of his knowledge onto the crews of Apollo misssions so that they could make their time on the moon collecting samples more productive. He finally reached the moon on Apollo 17, where he collected some of the most interesting rocks collected during the program.

Many HBs seem to believe that the landings were faked because they have seen the awful programme that FOX made many years ago, or from reading crap on the internet. Patrick, however, takes this to a whole new level of absurdity. His theory seems to change continuously, he ignores evidence from posters such as Jay Utah, STS-60, RAF, Loss leader and others even though it is apparent that they know what they are talking about.

The evidence to support Apollo is an immense archive of photos,16mm film, moon rocks, tracking data from professional and amateur astronomers, radio broadcasts that were monitored by radio hams, the hundreds of people that worked at NASA and the 400,000 that designed and built the hardware.

The evidence against Apollo are misunderstandings about photographic shadows, incredulity, ignorance and a few people trying to make money from hoax "documentaries".

Great post Multivac.......

It was and is blindingly obvious that Apollo was/is a PR stunt with some real science going on, actuality a ton of real science going on if you ask me, but back to the PR stunt business........

So you and I agree that it is a PR stunt Multivac, wouldn't you have a plan to put the boy scout out in front of the Eagle for God's sake and take his picture? AND were this real, Aldrin would have had a camera as well, ALL OF THE TIME THEY WERE ON THE MOON.

The two of them, both of them, would of course need to be prepared to take pics of one another and anything else as the opportunity or DANGER or TRIUMPH arose.

The fact only Armstrong for the most part has a camera and takes pics of Buzz proves Apollo fraudulent right there. How much more of a laughable charade can this this be/become?

Also, think about this.... What is the reason they don't photograph the truant boy scout? Could we easily see him as the phony he is were he photoed once straight on? Missing a camera mount? Telltale missing identification? Missing a camera? Something is going on there....

We do know it to be fake though, do we not......????...... They would have photographed the yoyo to death in front of the LM were the thing real, right??????
 
We do know it to be fake though, do we not......????...... They would have photographed the yoyo to death in front of the LM were the thing real, right??????


Wrong. You are wrong, sir. You are wrong.

Once again, your only standard of evidence is what You, Patrick, think you would have done if you ran the space program. That's a pretty low standard. That's not even the reasonable man standard. It's just nothing. Do you have any evidence other than your personal feelings that a manned mission to the moon would have given cameras to both astronauts? Any whatsoever?

Let's ask the question in the logical way: Given the short amount of time Apollo 11 was on the moon, is it reasonable that NASA would divide the labor such that one astronaut was tasked with taking pictures and one was assigned to do other things?

And if we're going to leave the hard science, as you have done in this post, and speculate about human motivations, why have you ignored my questions on those subjects? Why didn't the Soviets expose the moon mission? Why didn't the Soviets shoot small projectiles at the moon to destroy the military instruments as MAD demanded them to? Why would America have objected to a military flight to the moon sufficiently to make this ruse possible? Why, after the end of the Cold War, do Russian documents from the era show any suspicion about the moon missions? Why doesn't the US come clean now and claim credit for their military victory that saved the world from nuclear war? Why has not one person who worked on the project ever come forward to the fame and fortune that would await them? Why is every question asked of you answered with a change of subject?
 
The fact only Armstrong for the most part has a camera and takes pics of Buzz proves Apollo fraudulent right there.
I have pictures of my family on top of the Empire State building but none of myself because, for the most part, only I had the camera. Does this prove we were not there, or that my kids were planting secret military equipment there? If so, I feel I ought to be told.

How much more of a laughable charade can this this be/become?

I'm not sure how much more laughable this can become. I thought we were down to the absolute dregs quite some time ago, but you keep surprising us by producing a yet-feebler argument.
 
So you and I agree that it is a PR stunt Multivac, wouldn't you have a plan to put the boy scout out in front of the Eagle for God's sake and take his picture?

Every hoax proponent has his idea of the "crucial" photograph that suspiciously wasn't taken. I think it's hilarious how no two of those "essential" missing photo ideas are the same, yet it's somehow obvious that they should have been included. Maybe your pet photo isn't as obvious as you think it is, and maybe the reason it wasn't taken isn't that the mission was fraudulent, but rather that your made-up rules don't apply.

The two of them, both of them, would of course need to be prepared to take pics of one another and anything else as the opportunity or DANGER or TRIUMPH arose.

Show me in the NASA documentation where it says that's why 70mm still cameras were sent along with Apollo 11. The printed photo plan for Apollo 11 is a matter of record, as is the account of the professional photographer who trained the astronauts. You should therefore have no problem finding that photographing "danger or triumph" was an official part of the mission plan, if indeed it really was.

But if not, then once again you're simply making up new "rules" for the astronauts to follow.

The fact only Armstrong for the most part has a camera and takes pics of Buzz proves Apollo fraudulent right there.

Exactly how does that constitute proof of fraud?

Also, think about this.... What is the reason they don't photograph the truant boy scout? Could we easily see him as the phony he is were he photoed once straight on? Missing a camera mount? Telltale missing identification? Missing a camera? Something is going on there....

Priceless as ever, Patrick.

As you note, Buzz Aldrin was extensively photographed. If any of the above authenticity concerns were valid, why would they not also hold for Aldrin? Why don't "they" have a problem with Aldrin being photographed too?

Like every other hoax claimant, you fixate on Armstrong. And like every other hoax claimant, you fixate on the 70mm photography and completely ignore the television and 16mm footage, in which Armstrong appears more than Aldrin. Why wouldn't that photography reveal Armstrong's missing RCU bracket or ID patch?

What's the problem, Patrick? Is that photography not good enough for you? Or is it that you need to split hairs among the photography sources in order to get your theory to work? Or did you just plain forget about it?
 
Let's ask the question in the logical way: Given the short amount of time Apollo 11 was on the moon, is it reasonable that NASA would divide the labor...

Yes and no. Time was the issue, but for a different reason.

Aldrin had a camera, to be sure, and it was used to shoot Roll 37, which has the classic shot of a grinning Armstrong in the lunar module shortly after the landing. It also has a tone of before-and-after shots photographed through the LM window.

But the reason Aldrin's Hasselblad didn't go out the front door was because of the time it would have taken to get it down there.

The forward hatch opening on the LM is 32 inches wide and, on LM-5 and earlier, just under 30 inches tall. The astronaut has to squeeze his way out of it, and he can't do that while wearing or carrying anything but his space suit and backpack. Once on the surface, all his equipment is either retrieved from the MESA or passed down from the LM cabin using a lanyard system. Since the cameras were also to be used during the descent and ascent, they couldn't be stored in the MESA.

They had to be lanyarded down. And they had to be lanyarded back up again at the end of the EVA so that the magazines could be detached and darkslided before jettisoning the camera body; the magazines themselves did not have any way to attach to the lanyard.

That's not really a trivial process. It's time-consuming and awkward to do in a space suit. Armstrong's camera was passed down on the lanyard, and Aldrin would have had to pass his own camera down to Armstrong on the lanyard before egressing, since otherwise there would have been no one left in the LM to operate the high end of the lanyard. Similarly on ingress, Aldrin would have to leave his camera at the foot of the ladder and then climb in, and have Armstrong lanyard up both cameras in turn.

The mission planners for Apollo 11 constantly had to deal with what we call in engineering "scope creep," i.e., the incremental addition of requirements to a project, each of which is small but which add up quickly to complicate the project if not checked.

Everyone wanted to add something to the first lunar mission, but it was already full of unknowns just on the flight end of things. That's why the entire objective for Apollo 11 was "To perform a manned lunar landing and return." Even the EVA itself was optional. Kennedy had said to land a man on the Moon and return him safely to Earth. Things like color television or tourist pictures wouldn't be allowed to compromise that pure goal.

Given how the cameras had to be handled at the beginning and end of the EVA, mission planners fought scope creep by deciding that only one surface camera would be deployed on this first lunar landing mission to save deployment and retrieval time. Later missions with longer EVAs could afford to give surface cameras to both crew members and afford the longer time to handle them.

Why was Armstrong assigned the majority photographic duties? Because between he and Aldrin, Armstrong was by far the most skilled and comfortable photographer. He had considerable photography experience even before joining NASA and so mission planners wrote the plan with that in mind. It was simply more efficient to give the photography tasks to the person for whom it was more second-nature.
 
Yes and no. Time was the issue, but for a different reason....


Instead of "Los Bird Proves Apollo Inauthenticity," the name of the thread should be changed to "Stump JayUtah."

Was there a policy regarding smoking for the Apollo astronauts in their personal free-time (on earth)? Did any astronaut struggle with withdrawal during his mission?

Were the meals numbered for consumption on the Apollo missions (as they were for the Space Shuttle) or could the astronauts choose whichever meal they wanted?

What were the first words spoken on the moon?

What was the name of the individual who was sequestered with the Apollo 11 astronauts after landing?

Were the spacesuits used on the moon EVA's cleaned after landing, or are they still covered in moon dust in the museums today?

Are we certain of the status of the flag erected by the Apollo 11 astronauts and what is that status?

Exactly what was faulty part (down to the serial number) that caused the explosion aboard Apollo 13.

On Friendship 7, what does the 7 stand for?

Did Grissom blow the hatch?

What were the designed minimum and maximum reentry angles for the Apollo missions and how much confidence was there in a successful reentry that varied by 1 and 2 degrees more or less?

What was the name of the highest-level Grummond official on-site at Houston during Apollo 14? What was his favorite color?
 
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Wrong. You are wrong, sir. You are wrong.

Once again, your only standard of evidence is what You, Patrick, think you would have done if you ran the space program. That's a pretty low standard. That's not even the reasonable man standard. It's just nothing. Do you have any evidence other than your personal feelings that a manned mission to the moon would have given cameras to both astronauts? Any whatsoever?

Let's ask the question in the logical way: Given the short amount of time Apollo 11 was on the moon, is it reasonable that NASA would divide the labor such that one astronaut was tasked with taking pictures and one was assigned to do other things?

And if we're going to leave the hard science, as you have done in this post, and speculate about human motivations, why have you ignored my questions on those subjects? Why didn't the Soviets expose the moon mission? Why didn't the Soviets shoot small projectiles at the moon to destroy the military instruments as MAD demanded them to? Why would America have objected to a military flight to the moon sufficiently to make this ruse possible? Why, after the end of the Cold War, do Russian documents from the era show any suspicion about the moon missions? Why doesn't the US come clean now and claim credit for their military victory that saved the world from nuclear war? Why has not one person who worked on the project ever come forward to the fame and fortune that would await them? Why is every question asked of you answered with a change of subject?

This brings to mind a debate with a hoax believer many years ago, some of the other posters may remember it..

The poster used the same argument as Patrick does here. Stating something to the effect of "having no pictures of Armstrong (wrong, of course) is the same as having no pictures of Edmund Hillary on the top of Everest!"

It was then pointed out to him that there were, in fact, no pictures of Hillary becuase Tenzing Norgay didn't know how to use a camera.

The thread ended soon after. I hold no hope for a similar outcome here.

'-)
 
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"scope creep"

That made me LOL, you owe me a new keyboard.

I am convinced that "feature creep" as we termed it, is entirely the result of Sales and Marketing type people. (and IMHO it is no coincidence that that can be abbreviated as S and M).
 
I have a question or 2 for Jayutah relevant to the OP.:D

Given that the LICK director in 1969 (now deceased - so mercifully won't be bothered by stubborn HBs) reports having 6 figures passed to the team, what in your view, would NASA have concluded as the more accurate of them?

I make the asumption that it would be the accelerometer readings, but when would this figure have been calculated?

I contacted Mr Reed about the so called discrepancy with positions, and he told me it was not what it appears(correction to follow in next edition!), it was to do with vectors rather than position. As a complete layman on this, I wonder if you could elaborate on it.


I think this thread is providing great insight into Apollo, though for some strange reason the OP who professes to be scientific exhibits anything but that behaviour in response to the overwhelming expert knowledge provided.
 
In American courts of law, on a daily basis......

Wrong. You are wrong, sir. You are wrong.

Once again, your only standard of evidence is what You, Patrick, think you would have done if you ran the space program. That's a pretty low standard. That's not even the reasonable man standard. It's just nothing. Do you have any evidence other than your personal feelings that a manned mission to the moon would have given cameras to both astronauts? Any whatsoever?

Let's ask the question in the logical way: Given the short amount of time Apollo 11 was on the moon, is it reasonable that NASA would divide the labor such that one astronaut was tasked with taking pictures and one was assigned to do other things?

And if we're going to leave the hard science, as you have done in this post, and speculate about human motivations, why have you ignored my questions on those subjects? Why didn't the Soviets expose the moon mission? Why didn't the Soviets shoot small projectiles at the moon to destroy the military instruments as MAD demanded them to? Why would America have objected to a military flight to the moon sufficiently to make this ruse possible? Why, after the end of the Cold War, do Russian documents from the era show any suspicion about the moon missions? Why doesn't the US come clean now and claim credit for their military victory that saved the world from nuclear war? Why has not one person who worked on the project ever come forward to the fame and fortune that would await them? Why is every question asked of you answered with a change of subject?

In American courts of law, on a daily basis, jurors are asked to decide this or that, decide whether an occurrence seems reasonable to them or not, decide whether something happened or did not happen, decide whether something was real or was made up, decide as to whether something might or might not constitute a lie based on common sense, based on what a reasonable person raised and living in our culture would do, would think about, would think of when it came to such and such. Our court system is predicated on this.

I am only doing the same here. It is the very first moon landing. Were this thing real, not all, but some of the photography would be scripted. In the same sense Armstrong "took" the scripted panoramas in the case of the fraudulent reality that is the Apollo 11 Mission, had it been a real mission, a genuine manned lunar landing, Aldrin would have been instructed to have taken some "set" photos which would have included Armstrong. Of course there would be some improvisation. But with limited time and history on the line, there would have been a dedicated effort to script some photos prominently featuring the first man on the moon, WHETHER ARMSTRONG LIKED IT OR NOT!.

It its high time you were called this recurrent and pathetically oh so weak weak weak weak argument of yours Loss Leader, called on your incessant appeal to this particularly feeble defense of the official narrative. Of course you are welcome to say and write over and over that because Patrick is making an appeal to common sense, that does not make his claims, his points based on common sensical appeals accurate, make them correct. But as common sensical thinking, as appeals to what is and is not only reasonable for most of us, demonstrates more and more that Apollo can only be viewed, must only be viewed as fraudulent, as Apollo becomes less and less and less credible with NASA's cock and bull becoming ever so not worthy of more than a giggle, you'll find yourself surprisingly in that shrinking minority Loss Leader, a shrinking minority of individuals still conned by this HOKEY UNREASONABLE UNCOMMON SENSICAL JIVE.

Of course you are welcome to say, "people don't think as you do Patrick, so what you are saying is not necessarily true".

But as time goes on, more and more people will realize that my statement, "would you send a guy to the moon and NOT plan to take his picture, a good picture, a dedicated picture, the best you could muster, a picture of him out in front of his space ship? Of course not!!!!" is only too reasonable a statement. And they shall come to know it not only as an all too reasonable statement , but A TRUE STATEMENT AS WELL. It must be. It can only be so, just add a little common sense. It is a statement that must be true because it is the type of thing that we all do, and that includes NASA people. They do this picture taking stuff too, at weddings, birthdays, WHEN THEY TRAVEL. Whoever gave the astronauts but one camera and instructions for Armstrong to handle all the pics more or less, that person, that guy, is a big fat PERP!

Taken together with the rest of the Apollo narrative "facts", the lack of a good Armstrong photo, one that would have shown him on the moon proudly standing in front of his "new car", will one day become a piece of evidence undermining the bogus old official story, a piece of evidence that helps to proclaim the truths of the real story, MY STORY, THE IMPOSSIBLE TO LOSE BUT NEVERTHELESS LOST LOST LOST EAGLE STORY.

This is a court of law of sorts Loss Leader. I am suing the U.S. Government and NASA, figuratively speaking, for 20% of an annual US fiscal budget. We the REASONABLE want our money back! Kick and scream and cry about it all you like Loss Leader, appeal to NASA's special privilege to not engage in the common sensical all you like, but at the end of this all, there is only one possible outcome, the obvious outcome. The Apollo 11 Mission will be EXPOSED like a poorly lit studio pic for the fake fake FAKE, phony baloney charade that it is, sure as the lunar day is long long long my friend.

Ask yourself this Loss Leader; ever been to the Roman Colosseum? If you have, bet someone took your picture out in front of that bad boy. If you haven't, bet you'll have someone take your picture in front when you do go.........

This thing is so very fake fake fake fake, just ask the guy next door what he thinks. Ask him what he does when he goes to Paris and visits the Eiffel Tower Loss Leader...........
 
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Great post Multivac.......

You do understand thta he disagrees with your...right?

It was and is blindingly obvious that Apollo was/is a PR stunt with some real science going on, actuality a ton of real science going on if you ask me, but back to the PR stunt business...

Is "this" your new claim...that Apollo happened "as advertized", but was motivated by PR???

So you and I agree that it is a PR stunt Multivac...

I want to get this "right"...are you now claiming that the Apollo missions actually happened???

...were this real, Aldrin would have had a camera as well, ALL OF THE TIME THEY WERE ON THE MOON.[/quote]

Irrelevant what you think...Buzz was busy (hey, I like that) setting up/conducting experiments...what about that don't you understand??

The fact only Armstrong for the most part has a camera and takes pics of Buzz proves Apollo fraudulent right there. How much more of a laughable charade can this this be/become?

I don't know...how many outrageously ignorant "claims" can you make??

What is the reason they don't photograph the truant boy scout? Could we easily see him as the phony he is were he photoed once straight on? Missing a camera mount? Telltale missing identification? Missing a camera? Something is going on there....

Yeah there was, but I see it has "escaped" you....THEY WERE NOT THERE TO TAKE PICTURES OF EACH OTHER.

We do know it to be fake though, do we not......????


???You just posted that you think it was real, but a "stunt".


You can't even keep "one" claim straight in your mind in the same post, yet you expect to be taken seriously?


This is really getting embarrassing...
 
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