Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Dogzilla]

This is beyond moronic. Firstly, just because you invent a strawman doesn't oblige anyone to debunk it. Secondly, I think you'll find that Japanese American internment is exceptionally well documented, there is a substantial literature on the subject, with Wiki providing a good starting place. There simply aren't any "missing" Japanese Americans.

Isn't the holocaust exceptionally well documented with a substantial literature on the subject? I think the standard answer to your sort of reasoning is something like: "Oh. Because there were some survivors that proves nobody was murdered. Then you should have no trouble finding them. Hop to it!"

 

[Dogzilla]

...but strangely, deniers seem to think they can disprove it by highlighting one tiny part of it.

We think no such thing. I don't speak for everybody but all have a problem with are the gas chambers and the master plan. I would even have much of a problem with the six million if it hadn't been floated so often during the decades prior to the war. It's you guys who think that without the gas chambers Nazi Germany didn't persecute the Jews.

 

[Dogzilla]

You have made a number of errors. We have a large number of eyewitnesses who last saw the Jewish victims at Treblinka II.

SS-Hauptsturmführer Franz Stangl "it was always a huge mass… they were naked, packed together, running, being driven with whips" & "I think it started the day I first saw the Totenlager in Treblinka. I remember Wirth standing there, next to the pits full of blue-black corpses.

Treblinka station-master Franciszek Zabecki"Each transport was divided into sections of twenty wagons, and was pushed by a locomotive"

Oscar Strawczynski The place is packed with people. On one side are women with small children, on the opposite side, men, forced to kneel. In the middle there are SS –men, Ukrainians with weapons in their hands,


Would you like me to list some more?

You have attempted to avoid this question. I ask again. List the names of the persons who last saw the victims at Treblinka II and quote them exactly as to what they saw.

 

[LemmyCaution]

It's you guys who think that without the gas chambers Nazi Germany didn't persecute the Jews.

I have no idea what this sentence means. Could you re-state what you believe it is that "we guys" think?

 

[MG1962]

I have already told you where to look for holocaust era Jews. If you can't find any of them there, look harder. They're there. But you better hurry because they're not going to be around forever. Other than that I don't know what to tell you.

So you have solved a mystery that has escaped the attention of all those with a vested interest in the holocaust for the last 50 years

Double LOL for that

PS - Have you told David Irving about this discovery?

Triple LOL at that thought

 

[Wroclaw]

There are certainly eyewitness accounts, but then there are eye-witness accounts of being anally probed by aliens.

Really? How many aliens testified?

Because we've got a butt load of SS who testified, if you don't get my analogy.

 

[Wroclaw]

Shall we choose a Treblinka SS man to discuss? My vote is for Franz Suchomel, as his words are readily available online:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NpF3jGmKOM

 

[little grey rabbit]

Really? How many aliens testified?

Because we've got a butt load of SS who testified, if you don't get my analogy.

Well we have as many aliens as you have Nazi homicidal gas chambers. But yes I get your analogy. Although, as you will doubtless recall, a lot of your testimony was less unambiguous than you might have wished.

It is a great shame you weren't born in time to become one of the Ritchie's Boys - it might have provided you with an outlet for your obvious leanings.

 

[Wroclaw]

Well we have as many aliens as you have Nazi homicidal gas chambers.

Really? We have no fewer than six alien witnesses to abductions?

Nice try, Bunny. We have DOZENS of SS eyewitnesses vs. ZERO alien eyewitnesses.

But yes I get your analogy. Although, as you will doubtless recall, a lot of your testimony was less unambiguous than you might have wished.

That's a big negative. There's nothing ambiguous about dozens of men testifying across decades and three continents.

It is a great shame you weren't born in time to become one of the Ritchie's Boys - it might have provided you with an outlet for your obvious leanings.

It's a great shame you're not an *****.

Oh, wait...

 

[little grey rabbit]

Really? We have no fewer than six alien witnesses to abductions?

Nice try, Bunny. We have DOZENS of SS eyewitnesses vs. ZERO alien eyewitnesses.



That's a big negative. There's nothing ambiguous about dozens of men testifying across decades and three continents.



It's a great shame you're not an *****.

Oh, wait...

In which case you have nothing to fear from my little proposal to place GPR scan raw data in an online repository. I hope you will add your voice to Mr Swidler that Dr Terry need fear no repercussions to his career by taking part.

 

[Dogzilla]

I see.....so you agree there are eyewitnesses to the last know location of Jewish victims at Treblinka II. Can you exchange notes, via PMs, with your fellow holocaust denier Dogzilla. Your team seems to have different views on this matter.

You know what they say about deniers; put two of them in a room and you'll get three different opinions. But we don't have a team. No need to have LGR PM me on Treblinka. I think he and I both have a good idea of the historical consensus on this camp. I think it is you who is confused. Or perhaps you enjoy challenging points that support your position because you like to argue for the sake of argument.

Don't forget Abe Bomba. He's my most favorite Treblinka eyewitness. He can tell you all about the last known location of Jewish victims at Treblinka II. Unfortunately, like Wiernik, he not in any condition to answer questions today.

 

[Robrob]

The holocaust isn't a single unified event that can be proven by evidence for one tiny part of it.

...but strangely, deniers seem to think they can disprove it by highlighting one tiny part of it.

Typical CT logic. No need to provide a rational theory for your POV, poke at the historical reality just enough to imply the existence of a "debate" and then declare victory. E.G. Creationism.

Mr Swidler. I do unskilled, low paid work and I have long bouts of unemployment, ...

Why does this not surprise me?

I have already told you where to look for holocaust era Jews. If you can't find any of them there, look harder. They're there. But you better hurry because they're not going to be around forever. Other than that I don't know what to tell you.

Your claim 6 million people moved and forgot to leave forwarding addresses would be hysterical if it weren't so sad.

Isn't the holocaust exceptionally well documented with a substantial literature on the subject? I think the standard answer to your sort of reasoning is something like: "Oh. Because there were some survivors that proves nobody was murdered. Then you should have no trouble finding them. Hop to it!"

Your other claim of parallel between the Holocaust and the treatment of Japanese-Americans during WWII is ludicrous on its face. There were no mass murders of Japanese-Americans, there are no allegations of mass murders of Japanese-Americans, there are no missing mass murdered Japanese-Americans and you would be absolutely unable to provide anything to support such a claim.

Feel free to try though.

You know what they say about deniers; put two of them in a room and you'll get three different opinions..

Same as 9/11 Truthers. That's because you make it up as you go.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

You know what they say about deniers; put two of them in a room and you'll get three different opinions.

Incorrect. All holocaust deniers in this thread share an unsupported fantasy that the (approx) 800,000 Jewish victims of Treblinka II magically went somewhere else alive. Except Clayton and Saggy who offer no contribution.

But we don't have a team. No need to have LGR PM me on Treblinka. I think he and I both have a good idea of the historical consensus on this camp.

Incorrect your "team" is unified in its denial and its refusal to research any evidence for your team's common position concerning how (approx) 800,000 Jewish victim travelled elsewhere.

I think it is you who is confused. Or perhaps you enjoy challenging points that support your position because you like to argue for the sake of argument.

Incorrect. I am clear and provide evidence on many levels for my conventional historic views on the mass executions at Treblinka II. To argue for arguments sake would not be supported by my research and evidence I have presented.

Don't forget Abe Bomba. He's my most favorite Treblinka eyewitness.

And from reading your favourite eyewitness you would know "And now I want to tell you, I want to tell you about the thing...the gas chamber. It was, they ask me already about this thing. The gas chamber, how it looked. Very simple. Was all concrete. There was no window. There was nothing in it. Beside, on top of you, there was wires, and it looked like, you know, the water going to come out from it. Had two doors. Steel doors."

3D reconstructions of Treblinka gas chambers and eyewitnesses to allow reconstruction.
http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_trebcad.html

 

[little grey rabbit]

Incorrect. All holocaust deniers in this thread share an unsupported fantasy that the (approx) 800,000 Jewish victims of Treblinka II magically went somewhere else alive. Except Clayton and Saggy who offer no contribution.

Incorrect your "team" is unified in its denial and its refusal to research any evidence for your team's common position concerning how (approx) 800,000 Jewish victim travelled elsewhere.

Incorrect. I am clear and provide evidence on many levels for my conventional historic views on the mass executions at Treblinka II. To argue for arguments sake would not be supported by my research and evidence I have presented.

And from reading your favourite eyewitness you would know "And now I want to tell you, I want to tell you about the thing...the gas chamber. It was, they ask me already about this thing. The gas chamber, how it looked. Very simple. Was all concrete. There was no window. There was nothing in it. Beside, on top of you, there was wires, and it looked like, you know, the water going to come out from it. Had two doors. Steel doors."

3D reconstructions of Treblinka gas chambers and eyewitnesses to allow reconstruction.
http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_trebcad.html

Good work, Mr Ellard. You must be keen as mustard to see me and Dr Terry head off to old Trebs then for our GPR survey.

 

[LemmyCaution]

In which case you have nothing to fear from my little proposal to place GPR scan raw data in an online repository. I hope you will add your voice to Mr Swidler that Dr Terry need fear no repercussions to his career by taking part.

Do you or any of those you are baiting have any skills or credentials in archaeological techniques? Or are you trying to play the Donald Trump of this particular "ratings" stunt?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Good work, Mr Ellard. You must be keen as mustard to see me and Dr Terry head off to old Trebs then for our GPR survey.

Again. No thank you. When undertaking exploratory surgery, hospitals first determine the need to proceed and then request the services of, and employ those qualified experienced medical staff who accept. Your offer to join such a team would be like showing a circus clown an x-ray before pushing him towards the operating table.

As per your own words, you have no concept why Richard Krege did not publish. As you have also stated, even Richard Krege, your fellow Australian holocaust denier, does not return your phone calls! Hmmmmmm.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Do you or any of those you are baiting have any skills or credentials in archaeological techniques? Or are you trying to play the Donald Trump of this particular "ratings" stunt?

Ah yes, Mr Caution, a lifeterm in service of the oppressed and the underprivileged has allowed your keen eye to spot another intolerable crime against humanity.

I am indeed cruelly baiting people - all of whom with incomes many times my own - by proposing to fund with my working-class pay packet the most basic study imaginable of site where it is proposed 800 000 people perished. What sadistic taunting to offer to fly people to a site, hire GPR equipment, have an expert collect the necessary data and then allow these academics first dibs on any academic papers they would like to publish on the data.

What horrific mockery, oh why, oh why do the heavens not darken? Surely an extended bout on the race track burning off diesel (mind you don't asphyxiate) must be the only way you can cope with such trauma.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Do you or any of those you are baiting have any skills or credentials in archaeological techniques? Or are you trying to play the Donald Trump of this particular "ratings" stunt?

It would indeed seem that Little Grey Rabbit's "planning" to date, is no more than the random sending out of invites to people with real names. It is the equivelant to receiving a job offer to work at CERN's small particle physics laboratory from Winnie the Poo

 

[eerok]

I have already told you where to look for holocaust era Jews. If you can't find any of them there, look harder. They're there. But you better hurry because they're not going to be around forever. Other than that I don't know what to tell you.

I know what happened to the Holocaust victims. They were exterminated in droves by the Nazis, as indicated by the overwhelming evidence. Your claims are ridiculous, and you are unable to support them, just as I said.

Millions of victims. Millions. You think they just wandered off and completely abandoned their friends and families? It's hard to fathom the kind of mind that would reject the mountain of existing evidence and entertain a notion as vacant of sense as that. It is not even possible.

 

[Wroclaw]

In which case you have nothing to fear from my little proposal to place GPR scan raw data in an online repository. I hope you will add your voice to Mr Swidler that Dr Terry need fear no repercussions to his career by taking part.

Do you think that Dr. Terry is rejecting your overture because he's concerned for his career? I think it much more likely that he is rejecting your overture because he sees no need to humor the likes of you.