Deadly NATO attack in Pakistan

[Jonnyclueless]

Are accidents somehow not possible in war zones? War zones where the borders are blurry and insurgents jump back and forth between sides? You can't have a conflict without friendly fire, it's just impossible. Yet somehow I bet many here who are so appalled would hardly think it worth mentioning if Pakistan accidentally hit a NATO post.

 

[funk de fino]

The most wanted terrorist was a few feet away and they didn't notice anything, yeah right...

Thats your fantasy speculation. As usual.

As I said, I haven't read the details, and it seems to have been a mistake.

You haven't read it yet you come in a thread and start pontificating on it.

Would you say it was a tragic mistake and you feel for the dead soldiers?

Your nostrils are flaring again.

BTW, there are about as many Muslims in India than there are in Pakistan.

I bet that hoses you.

 

[funk de fino]

Are accidents somehow not possible in war zones? War zones where the borders are blurry and insurgents jump back and forth between sides? You can't have a conflict without friendly fire, it's just impossible.

Yes, they are. Tragic accidents and if this is one of those then we should feel for the victims. Too many are quick to jump to the comclusion these Pakistanis must have done something wrong.

Yet somehow I bet many here who are so appalled would hardly think it worth mentioning if Pakistan accidentally hit a NATO post.

Who do you think would have started a thread? I can make a few educated guesses.

 

[Nogbad]

Whatever the ins and outs of the incident it looks like NATO Pakistan cooperation is close to termination with hundreds of supply trucks now unable to get through to Afghanistan. Given that the Pakistan troops were on Pakistan soil, an element of restraint might have been more prudent. It is hard to claim self defence when they were the home team even if they were taking pot shots at drones.

Another theory is that Afghan Taliban fighters fired shots at Afghan/NATO forces from the direction of the two outposts drawing fire towards the Pakistan position. Of course the Afghan rebels stand to gain considerably if cooperation between Pakistan and NATO were to wither on the vine.

All in a bit of a mess.

 

[Pardalis]

You haven't read it yet you come in a thread and start pontificating on it.

So now we are prohibited to give our opinions on NATO-Pakistan relations in a thread about NATO-Pakistan relations?

Good to know.

Would you say it was a tragic mistake and you feel for the dead soldiers?

If it turns out to be a mistake yes of course.

 

[gumboot]

According to both ISAF and Afghanistan, their forces called in air support after being fired upon from across the Pakistan border.

 

[funk de fino]

So now we are prohibited to give our opinions on NATO-Pakistan relations in a thread about NATO-Pakistan relations?

Good to know.

The thread was about the attack. If you want to push the "well they probably bloody deserved it" without even reading anything on it then it only outs you again.

*Cue childish picture*

If it turns out to be a mistake yes of course.

If only your first post could have been that. Couldn't help yourself though eh?

 

[Virus]

You have sunken to the level of self-parody, kitten. "Haqqani", is that the new label for the islamotistical world conspiracy after Al-CIAda are the good guys again?

That way -------->

 

[Pardalis]

The thread was about the attack. If you want to push the "well they probably bloody deserved it"

And where did I say that? Even if you put a strawman in scare quotes it's still a strawman.

I only commented on the fact that they are merely tentatively our allies, and that they have been playing a double game for decades.

eh?

BTW, if you want to make fun of me because I'm a Canadian, you should know that French Canadians don't say 'eh'.

 

[Virus]

It looks like Pakistan started it.

Afghan and Western officials on Sunday said NATO and Afghan forces on a nighttime operation Saturday came under fire from across the Pakistan border before they called in a deadly airstrike on two Pakistani military posts, in an incident has left U.S.-Pakistan relations in tatters.

Firing on NATO troops is a really dumb thing to do.

 

[Childlike Empress]

"Across the Pakistan border" != Pakistan military and add sources if you quote something, crusader.

btw, the wicked witch and others have already apologized for the "mistake", so you can spare us your apologetics.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

I haven't read the details, but I think we should refocus our friendship on India, who deserve it, we should never had allied ourselves with Pakistan.

I don't think anybody denies that unwelcome elements have infiltrated Pakistan's sovereignty. However, I think the consistent Pakistan-bashing is disturbing and grossly unfair, considering that no single country on Earth has lost more lives fighting the same sort of terrorists the Western world are threatened by.

 

[gumboot]

I don't think anybody denies that unwelcome elements have infiltrated Pakistan's sovereignty. However, I think the consistent Pakistan-bashing is disturbing and grossly unfair, considering that no single country on Earth has lost more lives fighting the same sort of terrorists the Western world are threatened by.

Actually Iraq is the highest, and Pakistan is about equal with India and Thailand. Pakistan is also the source of the ideology that creates these terrorists, so...

 

[Childlike Empress]

Pakistan is also the source of the ideology that creates these terrorists, so...

Isn't that Saudi Arabia?

 

[gumboot]

Isn't that Saudi Arabia?

Deobandism seems to have wider reach than Wahhabism. In the UK for example 65% of all Mosques are run by the Deobandi, and they produce 80% of all domestically-trained Ulema.

Because of the similarity between the two interpretations of Islam (Deobandism was itself derived from Wahhabism) it seems the Wahhabi are happy to channel their funds into the Deobandi network rather than build a competing one. Hence why we get things like were shown in "Undercover Mosque" with a Wahhabi teacher in Saudi Arabia giving videoconference lectures to a UK Deobandi mosque.

 

[Childlike Empress]

And how does Deobandism (which has nothing to do with Wahhabism/Salafism at all) have any hand in creating terrorism (you make it up as you go along, fantasy writer)?

 

[gumboot]

And how does Deobandism (which has nothing to do with Wahhabism/Salafism at all) have any hand in creating terrorism (you make it up as you go along, fantasy writer)?

I'd recommend reading this book as it will answer all of your questions. You assessment that Deobandism and Wahhabism have nothing to do with each other is false, as you'll learn if you read the book.

(I'm sure there's other similar books on the same topic, but this one is as good a place to start as any other.)

 

[Childlike Empress]

LOL. Incredible. You offer me a book on Wahhabism as evidence that Deobandism creates terrorism, while I generously, for the sake of refuting your non-argument, stated that Saudi Wahhabism is, if any ideology, the source of terrorism in Islam?

 

[Pardalis]

I don't think anybody denies that unwelcome elements have infiltrated Pakistan's sovereignty. However, I think the consistent Pakistan-bashing is disturbing and grossly unfair, considering that no single country on Earth has lost more lives fighting the same sort of terrorists the Western world are threatened by.

I'm just saying if we have to ally ourselves with a country it should be India, which is a multicultural multifaith democracy.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Islamophobes and people interested in the origins of Wahhabism should consult the Confessions of Hempher as an antidote (not saying that it's entirely true).