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"Consensus 9/11: The Best Evidence" - O RLY?

DGM said:
Explain again what I'm "debunking"? What again are you speculating this means? That the planes were not hijacked? That the original pilots were in on it? Tell us what this "best evidence" leads us to?
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As you already know, it means nothing other than twoofers trying to find an anomaly (their opinion of one) in order to cast doubt and prolong the debate among the gullible.
 
Reheat said:
You keep validating that thought again and again.

There is no higher level of alert than a MAYDAY call that can be transmitted to the ground from an aircraft in flight. Why did not all of the flights transmit a MAYDAY call? Anyone with a 3 digit IQ should be able to reasonably speculate the reason for that. Obviously, they didn't have time. As has been pointed out repeatedly the hijack code is not a critical action item at any time for any reason. This entire line of thought grasped at by twoofers is just another indicator of their stupidity and IS NOT a reason to be skeptical at all. It simply validated the probability that the cockpit crew were subject to a rapid violent attack, specifically designed to prevent them from raising an alert to the ground. Why you keep trying to defend this crap only you know....
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This book says you're wrong:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Yk...&resnum=5&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
leftysergeant said:
That is the motherlode of stupid right there. The columns are stronger at the bottom, but you still have the same strength in the brackets holding the floors up. If the top floor is already overloaded to failure point, it just drops that much weigh plus its own on the next floor, and the action is repeated all the way down. The dimbulbs in the twoof movement have never demonstrated an arresting mechanism.
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And isn't that right there the deception they are pedaling? That's not incompetence. That's not a mistake. These are not the unintelligent musings on a youtube video by adolescents. These are reasonably intelligent adults who have had these very points explained to them time and again, yet they continue to spout these completely inaccurate descriptions of the collapse progression.

These are lies from these people. Clear and simple lies. This is not a "different interpretation". Focusing on the thicker and stronger columns near the bottom and ignoring the bracket failures, which is actually how the buildings collapsed, is nothing more than deception. Only they know their true motivation; money being the most logical and probable. But it is a lie nonetheless.
 
RedIbis said:
You guys can be exceedingly tedious when you pile up, say nearly nothing and expect me to respond to each and every rant.
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I'd be happy with a substantiate response to just one, you intellectually dishonest sophist making passive-aggressive personal remarks in lieu of any actual points.

RedIbis said:
This is what I mean by debunking that does nothing but offer some rather lame excuse. So far no one has presented evidence that any of the eight pilots entered the code. You'd think that would be the first thing they'd do. What do you think they had to do instead, heat up some soup in the microwave?
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So you didn't read my post and those of others where we point out that their first priority was to not die to the madmen with boxcutters, and that the code cannot be entered in a few seconds? Or are you just ignoring inconvenient facts again? Because you have done nothing that would indicate, to me, that you know more about flying a plane than Beachnut and Reheat, meaning your blanket dismissal of their comments on the matter is rather suspect.

Reheat said:
You keep validating that thought again and again.

There is no higher level of alert than a MAYDAY call that can be transmitted to the ground from an aircraft in flight. Why did not all of the flights transmit a MAYDAY call? Anyone with a 3 digit IQ should be able to reasonably speculate the reason for that. Obviously, they didn't have time. As has been pointed out repeatedly the hijack code is not a critical action item at any time for any reason. This entire line of thought grasped at by twoofers is just another indicator of their stupidity and IS NOT a reason to be skeptical at all. It simply validated the probability that the cockpit crew were subject to a rapid violent attack, specifically designed to prevent them from raising an alert to the ground. Why you keep trying to defend this crap only you know....
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Now, Red, if you'd like to debunk this, please list specific sources countering Reheat's points, not just your baseless skepticism.
 
RedIbis said:
Considering that the code can be transmitted verbally as well, makes your debunking particularly weak.
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Yeah, like saying the word "mayday" maybe? Oh, if they had only don.....wait, oh, right, the ******* did!! Jesus H Crist on a pogo stick dude.....
 
triforcharity said:
Yeah, like saying the word "mayday" maybe? Oh, if they had only don.....wait, oh, right, the ******* did!! Jesus H Crist on a pogo stick dude.....
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Yeah but,(as everyone knows) If they had squawked "7500" , Maverick and Iceman would have been on their wing in seconds, averting the whole tragedy.

:rolleyes:
 
DGM said:
Yeah but,(as everyone knows) If they had squawked "7500" , Maverick and Iceman would have been on their wing in seconds, averting the whole tragedy.

:rolleyes:
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We all know it would have been Goose with his skyhook......:D
 
Reheat said:
No, it doesn't. You have no clue what you're reading, nor do you understand what it means and how to apply what it says. FAIL

In addition, this was not a "normal" hijack at all. What code is transmitted when one is about to be murdered?
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I'm beginning to wonder if you have any clue what you're talking about. Shockingly, there are folks on this site who like to pretend to be experts but could be just playing make believe.
 
RedIbis said:
I'm beginning to wonder if you have any clue what you're talking about. Shockingly, there are folks on this site who like to pretend to be experts but could be just playing make believe.
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So what does this "best evidence" lead us to believe?

Wouldn't that be a starting point using logic and skepticism?
 
RedIbis said:
I'm beginning to wonder if you have any clue what you're talking about. Shockingly, there are folks on this site who like to pretend to be experts but could be just playing make believe.
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You're opinion about anything has proven to be absolutely worthless. Your attempted insult is just as much a failure as everything else you write. Go ahead shock everyone and answer, what is the code for impending murder?
 
RedIbis said:
I'm beginning to wonder if you have any clue what you're talking about. Shockingly, there are folks on this site who like to pretend to be experts but could be just playing make believe.
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Oh dear, watch out for that irony, it burns like a motherhumper. :p
 
DGM said:
So what does this "best evidence" lead us to believe?

Wouldn't that be a starting point using logic and skepticism?
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That skepticism is a rational course when confronted by explanations provided by the official narrative.
 
RedIbis said:
That skepticism is a rational course when confronted by explanations provided by the official narrative.
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I don't remember the "official story" addressing this. Can you point to it for me? Are you contending this is good evidence against the planes being hijacked? Seems to me it would only be if you had to look at this in isolation.
 
cantonear1968 said:
And isn't that right there the deception they are pedaling? That's not incompetence. That's not a mistake. These are not the unintelligent musings on a youtube video by adolescents. These are reasonably intelligent adults who have had these very points explained to them time and again, yet they continue to spout these completely inaccurate descriptions of the collapse progression.

These are lies from these people. Clear and simple lies. This is not a "different interpretation". Focusing on the thicker and stronger columns near the bottom and ignoring the bracket failures, which is actually how the buildings collapsed, is nothing more than deception. Only they know their true motivation; money being the most logical and probable. But it is a lie nonetheless.
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It's my gut feeling that their lies aren't motivated by greed, but rather by a deeply held belief in the righteousness of their political goals. Accuracy is unimportant when compared to advancing their transformative political program. But whatever, a lie's a lie regardless of the reason.

As has been pointed out a few times in this thread, they have provided a list of their most compelling claims, many of which refer to sources which not only fail to bolster their claims, but actually contradict them! This is more than sloppiness or stupidity. There is an ideology to advance, and facts are irrelevant.
 
RedIbis said:
You seem to be quibbling a semantic point. The panel is skeptical because there is a 30 duration from the time the CVR records the pilot screaming "Mayday" and "Get out of here."

From that piece of evidence, the panel is skeptical of the larger point that not one of the eight pilots squawked this code.

Personally, I don't find this point all that strong, but that doesn't make yours nor Beachnut's debunking arguments any better.
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If it's not all that strong then why are you hammering on it?

The whole thing is political answers to technical questions.
 
Tezro said:
It's my gut feeling that their lies aren't motivated by greed, but rather by a deeply held belief in the righteousness of their political goals. Accuracy is unimportant when compared to advancing their transformative political program. But whatever, a lie's a lie regardless of the reason.

As has been pointed out a few times in this thread, they have provided a list of their most compelling claims, many of which refer to sources which not only fail to bolster their claims, but actually contradict them! This is more than sloppiness or stupidity. There is an ideology to advance, and facts are irrelevant.
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Some may be due to political blindness, however it may be difficult to change their minds due to the primacy effect. In convincing folks with later evidence, the initial evidence they perceived will be stronger in their minds due to how the mind processes experiences. Especially, I believe, if they have had so much invested to this point and spent so much time ingraining themselves from the sources that agree with them.
 
RedIbis said:
Sometimes antecedents and pronouns work out just perfectly.
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Point 10: A Claim Regarding Hijacked Passenger Jets

... The fact that not one of the eight pilots performed this required action casts serious doubt on the hijacker story.


The pilots were in on it?
 
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