"The Republicans’ war on science and reason"

[Robert Prey]

Again, Please support that claim. What economic policies are promoted by Democrats that are in opposition to a consensus of economists?

Whoa, brother. Here we go all about Consensus. If a consensus of economists agreed that money grows on trees, then money does indeed grow on trees.

 

[Robert Prey]

This is clearly not the case. If it were, then your claims would be obvious to other people. Since they are not, please specify which actions by the agency (other than their position on AGW) shows an affinity for '19th century spread the wealth Marxism'

Every policy that robs from Peter to the benefit of Paul.

 

[lomiller]

Whoa, brother. Here we go all about Consensus. If a consensus of economists agreed that money grows on trees, then money does indeed grow on trees.

And here we have the essence of Republican anti-science attitude in a nutshell. “If the scientists do not agree with my beliefs than it must be the scientists who are wrong”

 

[cwalner]

Every policy that robs from Peter to the benefit of Paul.

Oh, you mean polices like subsidies for Agriculture and oil Companies? Or are you referring to an $800 billion bailout for financial firms? Or instead are you referring to awarding no-bid contracts to a company that used to be run by the Vice President?

I guess the GOP is just as rooted in 19th century spread the wealth marxism as the Dems and the IPCC.

 

[cwalner]

And here we have the essence of Republican anti-science attitude in a nutshell. “If the scientists do not agree with my beliefs than it must be the scientists who are wrong”

I was going to be a snotty pedant and mention that bank notes are printed on paper made from wood pulp, so money does, in fact, grow on tries, from a certain point of view*



*who am I to dismiss the rhetorical wisdom of a Jedi Master.

 

[Upchurch]

That said, people like O’Reilly who get worked up about people exercising their freedom to celebrate holidays any way they want take that stupidity to different level, so comparing it to a real issue like Republican rejection of science is still false equivocation in a big way.

This.

The "War On Christmas" was entirely concocted with, IIRC, all examples either complete lies or taken way out of context. Republican pushes against AGW studies or for teaching creationism in schools is fairly-well documented and not a fabrication of the left to smear the right. They aren't even in the same ballpark.

 

[Robert Prey]

I was going to be a snotty pedant and mention that bank notes are printed on paper made from wood pulp, so money does, in fact, grow on tries, from a certain point of view*/QUOTE]

But bank notes are not money. They are only a promise to pay money.

 

[Robert Prey]

Oh, you mean polices like subsidies for Agriculture and oil Companies? Or are you referring to an $800 billion bailout for financial firms? Or instead are you referring to awarding no-bid contracts to a company that used to be run by the Vice President?

I guess the GOP is just as rooted in 19th century spread the wealth marxism as the Dems and the IPCC.

All of the above, plus food stamps, welfare, aid to dependent children, education subsidies, billions thrown at politically connected hopelessly failed "green" industries, Pell Grants, Student loans, 99 weeks plus of unemployment benefits, Aid to Cowboy Poetry events, oh the list is so long, it would take forever to just cover the tip of the iceburg. 15 trillion in debt, and 4 billion in more debt just today alone.

 

[Robert Prey]

And here we have the essence of Republican anti-science attitude in a nutshell. “If the scientists do not agree with my beliefs than it must be the scientists who are wrong”

There is no such a thing as 'The Scientists." There are only individuals who may or may not have the truth, but never blindly accept "consensus" dogma.

 

[leftysergeant]

Whoa, brother. Here we go all about Consensus. If a consensus of economists agreed that money grows on trees, then money does indeed grow on trees.

I haven't seen any money trees lately, but people are seeing yellow jackets in areas where there is not even a name for them in the local languages. The climate is changing. Whether it is man-caused or not, the republicons and the Rushblob are saying that it is not that big a problem.

Right out of the box, they have cast aside all science for the convenience of their sponsors and owners.

 

[varwoche]

Each party is made up of individuals. To label an entire party as anti-science or anti-Christmas is painting with far too broad a brush.

Let's take a look at where the individuals running for POTUS stand on GW:

My view is that we don't know what's causing climate change on this planet. link

There is no compelling evidence on either side to either rule it out or rule it in. link

There is no consensus in the scientific community that global warming is getting worse or that it is manmade. link

Carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas; it is a harmless gas ... And yet we're being told that we have to reduce this natural substance and reduce the American standard of living to create an arbitrary reduction in something that is naturally occurring in the Earth. link

Manmade global warming is poppycock. link

For us to take a snapshot in time and to say that what is going on in the country today, the climate change that is going on is man’s fault and we need to jeopardize America’s economy, I’m a skeptic about that and I’m not afraid to say I’m a skeptic about that. link

It's just an excuse for more government control of your life. And I've never been for any scheme or even accepted the junk science behind the whole narrative. link

If I sample GOP congressional leadership, expect more of the same.

Huntsman is the one GOP candidate who doesn't deny GW science.

So no, the brush isn't all that broad.

 

[Tomtomkent]

All of the above, plus food stamps, welfare, aid to dependent children, education subsidies, billions thrown at politically connected hopelessly failed "green" industries, Pell Grants, Student loans, 99 weeks plus of unemployment benefits, Aid to Cowboy Poetry events, oh the list is so long, it would take forever to just cover the tip of the iceburg. 15 trillion in debt, and 4 billion in more debt just today alone.

Ah yes, but as that debt is paid in credit or paper currency it apparently doesn't count as money... Do they? Let's check:

But bank notes are not money. They are only a promise to pay money

There you go, fiscal policy fixed in my first post. Hurray.

 

[Robert Prey]

Ah yes, but as that debt is paid in credit or paper currency it apparently doesn't count as money... Do they? Let's check:


There you go, fiscal policy fixed in my first post. Hurray.

Back to your sandbox.

 

[Robert Prey]

I haven't seen any money trees lately, but people are seeing yellow jackets in areas where there is not even a name for them in the local languages. The climate is changing. Whether it is man-caused or not, the republicons and the Rushblob are saying that it is not that big a problem.

Right out of the box, they have cast aside all science for the convenience of their sponsors and owners.

Climate is changing???? Wow! What are we going to do???? But one question: Has there ever been a time when climate wasn't changing?????

 

[leftysergeant]

Their actions speak for themselves.

Yeah. They were tired of some right-wing SOB who was always bothering them and demanding all sorts of documents like a twoofer harrassing Larry Silverstein. Their suggestions that it would be almost worthwhile to just dsestroy the documents that the trash-talker wanted was more out of frustration with a punk kid who wouldn't go away. Only to a punk is what they did or said evidence of anything other than that they don't have time for punk science deniers.

It would be like expecting Planned Parenthood to turn documents over to James the pimp O'Keefe.

 

[leftysergeant]

Climate is changing???? Wow! What are we going to do???? But one question: Has there ever been a time when climate wasn't changing?????

Remember that neolithic hunter they found in the snow up in the Tyrolean Alps? He had been covered with snow since before the pyramids were built. Climate change usually takes some time.

Now, just in my life time, we go from an Arctic Sea so cold that it totally froze over every year to a climate that allows yellow jackets to flourish.

Pretty sudden, don't you think?

 

[Tomtomkent]

Remember that neolithic hunter they found in the snow up in the Tyrolean Alps? He had been covered with snow since before the pyramids were built. Climate change usually takes some time.

Now, just in my life time, we go from an Arctic Sea so cold that it totally froze over every year to a climate that allows yellow jackets to flourish.

Pretty sudden, don't you think?

It has taken thousands of years for the south coast of England to cool from vineyards under the Romans to cold pasture ground. It has taken less than my life time to warm back up the other way.

Of course, that is a discussion of local temp, where as the point of climate change is it extends beyond what we see out of our windows. The argument has never been that the climate is changing, it has alway been the rate of that change has been artificially accellerated.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Back to your sandbox.

So you wont comment on the dischord between your own statements?

 

[cwalner]

I was going to be a snotty pedant and mention that bank notes are printed on paper made from wood pulp, so money does, in fact, grow on tries, from a certain point of view*

But bank notes are not money. They are only a promise to pay money.

Oooh, you completely debunked my post that was done in jest and not even directed at you.

All of the above, plus food stamps, welfare, aid to dependent children, education subsidies, billions thrown at politically connected hopelessly failed "green" industries, Pell Grants, Student loans, 99 weeks plus of unemployment benefits, Aid to Cowboy Poetry events, oh the list is so long, it would take forever to just cover the tip of the iceburg. 15 trillion in debt, and 4 billion in more debt just today alone.

Nice way to miss the point. I was pointing out that your description of 'robbing Peter to pay Paul' does not just apply to the Dems. I never stated that wealth redistribution was not part of the Democratic policy. However, the only difference betwen your ideology and that which you label as 'redistribution of wealth' is the direction in which wealth is redistributed.

 

[lomiller]

But one question: Has there ever been a time when climate wasn't changing?????

It's been relatively stable the last 10 000 years or so, until we started releasing CO2...

That is still co9mpltely beside the point though as your basic argument is non-sequitur.

You can't conclude that the current climate change isn't anthropogenic because climate has changes in the past any more that a murder can argue that he didn't commit a crime because that same thing had occurred for thousands if years before his birth.