Occupy Wall Street better defend its identity

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BTW, I know aguy who used to make $100K at WalMart, he was in human resources. He quit because his commute was too far.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I'd wager the nightmares about his ethics didn't help.
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His ethics are fine. But his commute was way out to the northwest suburbs. But being a gay guy who likes to party in Boystown and live nearby he wanted to work closer to home.
 
WildCat said:
BTW, I know aguy who used to make $100K at WalMart, he was in human resources. He quit because his commute was too far.
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I know a guy who swears that a ghost told him how to find the remains of a UFO. So what?

Even if your anecdote were verifiable, Walmart has poor working conditions which leads to high turnover rates. If workers are asking for more hours, trying to get any of the promised benefits, trying to get into workshops for management training, are female and can not get into those workshops even if they have seniority, or have quit and need to make sure their last paycheck is accurate - they go to HR.

A company that is dealing with great amounts of employee dissatisfaction will invest in the HR department. Highly paid HR doesn't prove that working conditions are good for workers at Walmart, especially when the high turnover rate and constant lawsuits would indicate otherwise.
 
WildCat said:
His ethics are fine. But his commute was way out to the northwest suburbs. But being a gay guy who likes to party in Boystown and live nearby he wanted to work closer to home.
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I guess all that sitting during a long commute would be uncomfortable after a night of Boystown.
 
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leftysergeant said:
Considering that the Walton larvae and the Koch roaches have been spending so much moneyt dismantling the middle class, perhaps as much as the banksters, I hardly find that puzzling.
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It's interesting to see the far left adopting the same language as the anti-Semitic, paranoid far-right.
 
carlitos said:
It's interesting to see the far left adopting the same language as the anti-Semitic, paranoid far-right.
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Huh? I thought the neocons, once the commy far left, were now and have been for 20 plus years, the warmongering far right ala Lieberman and Kristol?
 
bookitty said:
I know a guy who swears that a ghost told him how to find the remains of a UFO. So what?
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Not all jobs at WalMart are cashiers, greeters, and shelf stockers. Their pharmacists, for example, are paid quite handsomely, well over $100K. And they provide prescription drugs at far lower cost to patients than Mom & Pop's drug store does.

bookitty said:
Even if your anecdote were verifiable, Walmart has poor working conditions which leads to high turnover rates.
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What's the turnover rate at Mom & Pop's?

bookitty said:
If workers are asking for more hours, trying to get any of the promised benefits, trying to get into workshops for management training, are female and can not get into those workshops even if they have seniority, or have quit and need to make sure their last paycheck is accurate - they go to HR.

A company that is dealing with great amounts of employee dissatisfaction will invest in the HR department. Highly paid HR doesn't prove that working conditions are good for workers at Walmart, especially when the high turnover rate and constant lawsuits would indicate otherwise.
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So now the existence of a HR department is evidence of poor worker treatment?
 
WildCat said:
Not all jobs at WalMart are cashiers, greeters, and shelf stockers. Their pharmacists, for example, are paid quite handsomely, well over $100K. And they provide prescription drugs at far lower cost to patients than Mom & Pop's drug store does.


What's the turnover rate at Mom & Pop's?


So now the existence of a HR department is evidence of poor worker treatment?
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HR used to be where you went to add someone to your healthcare. Now it wields the big axe for a bean-counting, bonus sucking management.
 
WildCat said:
Not all jobs at WalMart are cashiers, greeters, and shelf stockers. Their pharmacists, for example, are paid quite handsomely, well over $100K. And they provide prescription drugs at far lower cost to patients than Mom & Pop's drug store does.


What's the turnover rate at Mom & Pop's?


So now the existence of a HR department is evidence of poor worker treatment?
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No, the existence of highly paid HR doesn't prove that working conditions are good for workers at Walmart especially when there is evidence to the contrary. Which is exactly what I have already said.
 
bookitty said:
Me? personally? I've been working on smaller stuff. Specifically with people who interested in working towards a state bank of California, modeled after the state-owned Bank of North Dakota.

Because I, personally, believe that new solutions can be implemented faster than re-regulation and can have a similar effect although possibly on a smaller scale.
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That's been picked up by rather a few state legislators and, perhaps curiously, a fair number of Republicans. Have you selected any of them to speak at your Occupy functions?
 
WildCat said:
What Mom & Pop stores offer full-time hours with benefits?

You've never worked at a small retailer, have you?
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bikerdruid said:
dead wrong.
i worked in photo retail for 17 years, in two high end camera stores, both small, independent businesses.
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I'm going to have to declare shenanigans. Mom & Pop stores cannot come close to offering the security, flexibility, benefits, or opportunity for advancement that a corporation can. That's almost by definition.

Mom & Pop stores also have a pretty handy way of getting more out of your hourly wage by, for example, having you help out with inventory counts or doing unpaid overtime.

How on earth did you manage a pension from those people?
 
bookitty said:
I know a guy who swears that a ghost told him how to find the remains of a UFO. So what?

Even if your anecdote were verifiable, Walmart has poor working conditions which leads to high turnover rates. If workers are asking for more hours, trying to get any of the promised benefits, trying to get into workshops for management training, are female and can not get into those workshops even if they have seniority, or have quit and need to make sure their last paycheck is accurate - they go to HR.

A company that is dealing with great amounts of employee dissatisfaction will invest in the HR department. Highly paid HR doesn't prove that working conditions are good for workers at Walmart, especially when the high turnover rate and constant lawsuits would indicate otherwise.
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I work at a corporate head office and I've discovered that constant lawsuits mean that you're making money and somebody wants to get it from you without working for it. That's the short version.

Is this really all about Wal-Mart? Is it either Wal-Mart or nothing? Is there really no other corporation offering good entry level positions? I can name about 20 or 30 of them off the top of my head right now.

Moreover, there are plenty of Wal-Mart employees who are quite happy with their jobs and the opportunities they're provided. Show me a Mom & Pop outfit that does this:

http://www.enotes.com/scholarships-loans/wal-mart-foundation

Purpose: For graduating high-school seniors who are dependents of Wal-Mart employees. Employee must be full time for at least one year. Based on academic progress, financial need, school and community involvement and leadership. A $13,000 renewable award for tuition, books fees, and on-campus room and board at an accredited two- or four-year U.S. institution. Qualif.: Applicant must be: dependent of a full-time, one-year employee of Wal-Mart Stores, Inc., a graduating high school senior with at least 22 composite ACT or 1030 combined SAT (critical reading + math), a U.S. citizen or permanent legal resident. Additional qualifications apply.
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Is this what you're protesting against?
 
The sorry bastard who introduced the senate bill which ultimately let the banksters run wild and start creating investment instruments out of total crap was not a Jew. He was an arrongant WASP from Texas. He introduced the bill at a time when Grover's punks controlled both houses of congress, and America has been paying for it ever since, while he and his wife live high on the hog from the bribes that the least ethical of the banksters paid for her lobbying efforts.
 
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