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"Consensus 9/11: The Best Evidence" - O RLY?

Hokulele said:
Is it just me, or are points 4, 5, and 8 all pretty much the same thing?
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This.
Also, 2, 3 and 5 are the same thing
Also, 7 and 8 are the same thing
Since you included 5 and 8, that means 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 and 8 really are the same thing: "we can't believe the towers came down the way they did".
 
Orphia Nay said:
David Ray Griffin, William Veale, Elizabeth Woodworth and 21 of the usual suspects...
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Let me get this straight - we have a theologian, a librarian and a lawyer making claims, 7 of which are best assessed by structural engineers, and they ran them by
- a lecturer in buddhism
- an actor
- a geography teacher
- another lawyer
- a psych. counselor
- a physical therapist
- a county-level health officer
- an economist
but not a single structural or civil engineer??

Amazing!! :eye-poppi
 
Oh dear. Including misleading statements like "Cheney himself, speaking on “Meet the Press” five days after 9/11, reported that he had entered the PEOC before the Pentagon was damaged" really doesn't help their case here...
 
Oystein said:
Let me get this straight - we have a theologian, a librarian and a lawyer making claims, 7 of which are best assessed by structural engineers, and they ran them by
- a lecturer in buddhism- an actor
- a geography teacher
- another lawyer
- a psych. counselor
- a physical therapist
- a county-level health officer
- an economist
but not a single structural or civil engineer??

Amazing!! :eye-poppi
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That always cracks me up. MacQueen basicly pulls stuff out of his underwear. He read Karen Deshore's account of exploding cars in the same area where Patricia Ondrovic reported bombs with flames coming up out of the street and uses that to confirm that what Ondrovic saw were bombs.

It seems to me that the only way that this "Delphi" woo can work is if you actually get experts on your panel. MacQueen is not an expert.

FAIL.
 
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.co...about-the-truth-or-the-truth-about-consensus/:

Maybe we should start calling it the 9/11 Consensus Movement.

Recent developments in the struggle to widely expose the truth about the fake “terrorist attacks” of Sept. 11, 2001 have focused on apparent efforts to overcome divisions between different factions in the movement. Ironically, these attempts at consensus have themselves been highly controversial.
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:D:D:D


The blog itself seems to be a fine piece of hilarious Truther infighting.
 
I gotta clean my cache: I don't care if somebody finds bewbs....I don't want them to know I looked at *that* pile of organic refuse.
 
beachnut said:
Point 10: A Claim Regarding Hijacked Passenger Jets
What a big load of BS. Extra credit BS.

I find it hard to believe these people are human. Yes pilots are trained to squawk the hijack code. But it is like texting, you can't be fighting for your life and set the code. Plus, there is no code for, "oh crap, I am being killed". Plus, I doubt you are able to set the code when you have warm blood running down your chest because your attacker cut your throat...

We set the hijacking code when needed to inform ATC of the hijacking. There is no rush, it takes 20 minute or more to land from cruise, why do you have to set a code in 30 seconds, or two minutes. There is no code for being killed! What a bunch of nuts.

When you are distracted by idiots killing your crew, and you don't figure out you should crash land NOW and kill your attackers, setting the hijack code is not a priority!

I can't believe there are humans who demand the label moron as much as these dolts in 911 truth. What a waste of bandwidth in the genome.
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Obviously, you missed where it links to a source that it took 30 seconds for the hijackers to enter the cockpit. Therefore, being unable to enter the code in a few seconds is what raises their suspicion.
 
RedIbis said:
Obviously, you missed where it links to a source that it took 30 seconds for the hijackers to enter the cockpit. Therefore, being unable to enter the code in a few seconds is what raises their suspicion.
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Maybe you can explain what the procedures were in 2001 if they did squawk that code. Would it have saved the day?
 
DGM said:
Maybe you can explain what the procedures were in 2001 if they did squawk that code. Would it have saved the day?
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I wasn't speaking to the validity or invalidity of the point. I was merely pointing out to Beachnut that if he had read more closely he'd see that the reason for the group's skepticism is the fact that the code only takes a few seconds to enter and reports are that it took 30 seconds for the hijackers to enter the cockpit.
 
RedIbis said:
I wasn't speaking to the validity or invalidity of the point. I was merely pointing out to Beachnut that if he had read more closely he'd see that the reason for the group's skepticism is the fact that the code only takes a few seconds to enter and reports are that it took 30 seconds for the hijackers to enter the cockpit.
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So do you agree that this is sort of a "no-point"?

You have to admit. This list is rather lame.
 
RedIbis said:
I don't know how you got that assumption from what I said.
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Do you agree the list is lame or not? They are still claiming that people like us say were are no explosions. Why would they say that? We say people saying they heard explosions and even "sounds like bombs" are so common in a fire and even when its not a fire, even when they know they arent talking about bombs before they said it. Thats because explosion doesnt have to mean bomb, it can mean a hundred other things as well and thats how people use the word all the time. How is that point of theirs not completely stupid? If you agree with that, we can move onto the next one.
 
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RedIbis:
Really, do you think this list is the best evidence the "truth" movement has? I do value your honest opinion on this. If not, I would like to get your input on what is.
 
RedIbis said:
Obviously, you missed where it links to a source that it took 30 seconds for the hijackers to enter the cockpit. Therefore, being unable to enter the code in a few seconds is what raises their suspicion.
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The source that it links to, only points out that there were 30 seconds between the first and second "mayday" transmissions from UA93. It's a major assumption to say that the hijackers had not already entered the cockpit at the time of the first transmission. It's totally disingenuous to say "the official story claims that it took 30 seconds for the hijackers to enter the cockpit", based on their source. There is no real way of knowing precisely how long it took the hijackers to enter the cockpit, but citing the time between the two transmissions is prima facie nonsense.

They are claiming their source says something it does not, and you are repeating their fallacious claim.
 
DGM said:
RedIbis:
Really, do you think this list is the best evidence the "truth" movement has? I do value your honest opinion on this. If not, I would like to get your input on what is.
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The list isn't perfect, but it's a good start. I think it's helpful to try and boil down so much competing information to try and come up with a short list of what the panel believes to be points of consensus.

On a sad note, one of the members of the group, Lyn Margulis has passed away. I'm not that familiar with her work, but from what I've read, she seemed like a courageous and intelligent woman.
 
DGM said:
So do you agree that this is sort of a "no-point"?

You have to admit. This list is rather lame.
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They claim they intend to add more. I'm betting they don't get too far if this is the best initial offering they can come up with.
 
RedIbis said:
The list isn't perfect, but it's a good start. I think it's helpful to try and boil down so much competing information to try and come up with a short list of what the panel believes to be points of consensus.
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This took them 6 months ( not counting all the time they spent before on "truth")
RedIbis said:
On a sad note, one of the members of the group, Lyn Margulis has passed away. I'm not that familiar with her work, but from what I've read, she seemed like a courageous and intelligent woman.
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That's too bad, it's tough to lose someone, especially during the Holidays. Condolences to the family.
 
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