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LemmyCaution said:
Clayton Moore's misrepresentation of the Oshmiana action: To clarify a point I made about this -According to Arad, in Ghetto in Flames, the victims were elderly and also Jews who were ill (in his famous justification speech to ghetto leaders, Gens explained that "When Weiss first came and demanded women and children, I told him that instead he should take old people. . . . And may these aged Jews forgive us, they were the sacrifice for our Jews and our future.")

How was Gens able to do what Rumkowski could not achieve in Lodz with regard to the children?

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Again, has Clayton Moore read anything about this topic? Why does he post so much misinformation?
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I am sure it will come as no surprise to learn that Mr Moore has not delved as deep into the appropriately named More**** archive as Mr Caution.

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I guess you just don't know about mass burial sites sometimes do heave, from decomposing bodies and blood leaking out is not impossible either. I myself worked on a farm in the 1970's for a few months and several hundred hogs had to be buried because they were infected with some disease or the other. I remember quite clearly that the Farmer, a Mr. Levesque didn't bury them deep enough and after a week the ground fid heave a bit and yes therte was some blood. I remember it because it was so disgusting.
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Frankly I don't believe you.

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I guess you just don't know about mass burial sites sometimes do heave, from decomposing bodies and blood leaking out is not impossible either. I myself worked on a farm in the 1970's for a few months and several hundred hogs had to be buried because they were infected with some disease or the other. I remember quite clearly that the Farmer, a Mr. Levesque didn't bury them deep enough and after a week the ground fid heave a bit and yes therte was some blood. I remember it because it was so disgusting.
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Frankly I don't believe you.
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Regardless of what you choose to believe or not, the facts remain: decomposing bodies expand and "heaving earth" in a shallow mass grave would not be unusual in the least.

I've noticed a common thread with you Holocaust deniers, completely reasonable events are dismissed with a hand wave and nothing more than "I doubt it." E.G. guards stealing shoes off a "dead" girl, people fighting for bread, guards using children for target practice, guards shooting and missing, etc...
 
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Lemmy, remember:

little grey rabbit said:
I don't really mind one way or the other. But on a personal note, it will be a very sad day indeed when I can't get people online hopping mad by saying "The Illuminati did it" or tell them about the One True Crematorium at Birkenau
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little grey rabbit said:
Well, I believe I can get people hopping mad.
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LGR isn't interested in debate, nor does he actually believe the stuff he spouts. A 'win' for him is to get you angry, and preferable break a rule or 2. Don't play his game.
 
little grey rabbit said:
Vowel substitution from Yiddish to English can be a little uncertain, some translators render it as Moreshet.
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Not in this case, and if you knew Yiddish, you'd know that.

/e/ in the second case would be represented (and is) with ayin; /i/ would be represented by yud.

So why don't you cut it out, OK?
 
Robrob said:
Regardless of what you choose to believe or not, the facts remain: decomposing bodies expand and "heaving earth" in a shallow mass grave would not be unusual in the least.

I've noticed a common thread with you Holocaust deniers, completely reasonable events are dismissed with a hand wave and nothing more than "I doubt it." E.G. guards stealing shoes off a "dead" girl, people fighting for bread, guards using children for target practice, guards shooting and missing, etc...
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Nope. It was a guard, who, upon noticing that the girl was not dead, shot her in the foot and stole her shoes or stole her shoes and shot her in the foot.

Surviving 9 death camps.

Having children shot to the delight of your own daughter.

The absurdities are endless.
 
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Nope. It was a guard, who, upon noticing that the girl was not dead, shot her in the foot and stole her shoes or stole her shoes and shot her in the foot.
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Quote the exact post in which this information appears or admit you're lying.
 
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Nope. It was a guard, who, upon noticing that the girl was not dead, shot her in the foot and stole her shoes or stole her shoes and shot her in the foot.

Surviving 9 death camps.

Having children shot to the delight of your own daughter.

The absurdities are endless.
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What part is hard for you to understand? She was shot and lay in a ditch. A guard stole her shoes. He saw she was still breathing and shot her again. He his her foot/leg (the words for each are the same in both Yiddish and Slavic). He left her for dead.

You seem unusually shocked that a murderer would steal shoes from a corpse. Why?
 
One final note on heaving corpses:

As a carcass decomposes, significant amounts of gas are produced and, when entrapped within the carcass, cause extensive bloating. As a result of bloating, buried carcasses can actually be displaced, shift, or even rise to the surface of a burial pit, similar to the way bodies of drowning victims rise to the surface of water (McDaniel, 1991).
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From Carcass Disposal a Comprehensive Review By Abbey Nutsch and Mark Spire pp. 15-16
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Frankly, I'm disappointed.

One of the main planks of the denier creed is that people doing behaviour "X" is "absurd".

So - I thought, is there anywhere that I can find similar behaviour

Fortunately, it doesn't take long - the appalling history of the Japanese Armed Forces during and before the Pacific War.

Here we have troops who, despising their enemy, felt able to inflict any atrocities on them. And did do so....

So - is this all absurd too?

Or do your standards of absurdity only apply to the SS and Nazis?

And when are you going to bring evidence regarding the level of absurdity?

Thanks,
 
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Rincewind said:
Frankly, I'm disappointed.

One of the main planks of the denier creed is that people doing behaviour "X" is "absurd".

So - I thought, is there anywhere that I can find similar behaviour

Fortunately, it doesn't take long - the appalling history of the Japanese Armed Forces during and before the Pacific War.

Here we have troops who, despising their enemy, felt able to inflict any atrocities on them. And did do so....

So - is this all absurd too?

Or do your standards of absurdity only apply to the SS and Nazis?

And when are you going to bring evidence regarding the level of absurdity?

Thanks,
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Absurdity is why people don't try or even consider cliffs as shortcuts.
 
Rincewind said:
Frankly, I'm disappointed.

One of the main planks of the denier creed is that people doing behaviour "X" is "absurd".

So - I thought, is there anywhere that I can find similar behaviour

Fortunately, it doesn't take long - the appalling history of the Japanese Armed Forces during and before the Pacific War.

Here we have troops who, despising their enemy, felt able to inflict any atrocities on them. And did do so....

So - is this all absurd too?

Or do your standards of absurdity only apply to the SS and Nazis?

And when are you going to bring evidence regarding the level of absurdity?

Thanks,
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Atrocious behavior is not absurd, and it might be the norm in times of war.

However, absurd not to mention physically impossible behavior is absurd, and much of the holohoax is absurd. Let's take my favorite example, the hoax 'gas chamber' at Auschwitz, presented daily to the public as a place were Jews were gassed, has unsealed typical wooden office doors, one with a plate glass window. See photos here ...

http://www.historiography-project.org/misc/doors.html

That is absurd. The holohoax maintains that the primary method of killing Jews was in gas chambers, and that Auschwitz was the largest by far death camp. This hoax gas chamber is the heart of the holohoax, and it is completely absurd.

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Saggy said:
Let's take my favorite example, the hoax 'gas chamber' at Auschwitz, presented daily to the public as a place were Jews were gassed, has unsealed typical wooden office doors, one with a plate glass window.
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Do let's. You seem to have missed the part where you did more than actually assert that this is absurd, and the fact that Zyklon B was used to fumigate, for example, fruit trees (an operation, it is useful to note in passing required far higher concentrations of HCN to be maintained for far greater periods of time) using an incredibly complex and high mantainance device called "a canvas tent".


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