Occupy Wall Street better defend its identity

[thaiboxerken]

Protesters aren't usually silent, they do have to open their mouths to flail about like a bunch of schizophrenics, which is more likely how some might have gotten sprayed in their mouths.

I did not see that in the video. Did you? Either way, there were injuries because of the repeated spraying. The police should have tried to arrest them first before spraying them, instead of the other way around. Apparently, the head of UC Davis agrees.

But you keep on with your delusion that it's not a big deal.

 

[Pardalis]

I did not see that in the video. Did you?

You do hear it.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Apart from that, what non-lethal methods of crowd control do you champion?

Passively standing by until there is actual violence from that crowd. Seriously. I've learned that button pushers tend to stop pushing the button if nothing happens.

 

[thaiboxerken]

You do hear it.

Hmmm.. you "hear" them flailing about but don't see it?

 

[Pardalis]

Hmmm.. you "hear" them flailing about but don't see it?

You do hear them scream at the top of their lungs as though Armageddon was upon them.

You do have to open you mouth to make that much noise.

 

[bikerdruid]

What non-lethal methods of crowd control do you champion?

there was no need for 'crowd control'.
the students were seated. they were no threat.
the cops were in control...all they had to do was pick them up and carry them away.
cops do this all the time.

 

[Pardalis]

all they had to do was pick them up and carry them away.

They were chained together, and would have offered resistance.

Maybe a few dislocated shoulders would have been preferable?

 

[Howie Felterbush]

What an Orwelian nightmare would we live in if everyone would report on eachother, exposed personal information on other people because we don't agree with them.

Is that the world you want to live in Gee Mack? You feel proud about yourself doing that?

Maybe the supporters of the occupiers are more fascist than they'd like to admit.

Reported.

 

[stokes234]

A certain amount of pain is inevitable if you want to remove people from their location.

Have you seen the video? They have their arms locked. Once sprayed, they still have their arms locked, and still need to be forcibly picked up off the ground. Why did they need to be put in pain before this was done?

I doubt the pepper was the cause of the hospitalizations.

Well, every article i've seen seems to suggest otherwise.

 

[stilicho]

Passively standing by until there is actual violence from that crowd. Seriously. I've learned that button pushers tend to stop pushing the button if nothing happens.

there was no need for 'crowd control'.
the students were seated. they were no threat.
the cops were in control...all they had to do was pick them up and carry them away.
cops do this all the time.

That's three in row ignoring the actual question: What non-lethal methods of crowd control do each of you champion?

EDIT: Ducking the question. I should add that each of you wish to have the police either wait for things to escalate or to manhandle them out of the way.

 

[Pardalis]

Have you seen the video? They have their arms locked. Once sprayed, they still have their arms locked, and still need to be forcibly picked up off the ground.

I don't think so. The pepper makes you momentarily blind, and the discomfort makes you instinctively want to cover your eyes, so the chain is easily broken.

Well, every article i've seen seems to suggest otherwise.

I'm guessing it's more what comes with being arrested that made them ill, like stress, hyperventilation and high blood pressure.

 

[stilicho]

Have you seen the video? They have their arms locked. Once sprayed, they still have their arms locked, and still need to be forcibly picked up off the ground. Why did they need to be put in pain before this was done?



Well, every article i've seen seems to suggest otherwise.

Should I put you down for manhandling crowds out of the perimeter?

 

[WildCat]

That's three in row ignoring the actual question: What non-lethal methods of crowd control do each of you champion?

How about pouring a bucket of hairy, scary, but harmless spiders on top of them? Surely they'd unlock their arms to brush off the creepy crawly critters?

 

[stokes234]

Apart from that, what non-lethal methods of crowd control do you champion?

Well, give me a situation. Who is in danger from the crowd, whats the setting, which major road is being obstructed at what time of day, etc.

 

[bikerdruid]

They were chained together, and would have offered resistance.

Maybe a few dislocated shoulders would have been preferable?

chained together????....dude, their arms were interlinked.
do you think that a big strong cop is incapable of forcing them apart?
police are within their rights to use appropriate force.

they had to do that anyways....
the pepper spray was excessive and ineffective force.
they still pried them apart to carry them away.

 

[Pardalis]

How about pouring a bucket of hairy, scary, but harmless spiders on top of them? Surely they'd unlock their arms to brush off the creepy crawly critters?

Or maybe use cattle prods that give instant orgasms.

 

[stokes234]

I don't think so. The pepper makes you momentarily blind, and the discomfort makes you instinctively want to cover your eyes, so the chain is easily broken.

Ok, it's a lovely theory, but now watch the video again. They still have to be forcibly picked up off the ground because their arms are still linked.

 

[Pardalis]

chained together????....dude, their arms were interlinked.

Yes, that's what I meant, chained with their arms.

do you think that a big strong cop is incapable of forcing them apart?

Of course, but that would be actual brutal force, and would cause injuries.

they still pried them apart to carry them away.

Yes, and the discomfort caused by the pepper made that job easier.

 

[bikerdruid]

Yes, that's what I meant, chained with their arms.



Of course, but that would be actual brutal force, and would cause injuries.



Yes, and the discomfort caused by the pepper made that job easier.

wow....your alternate reality must be an interesting place.

 

[Pardalis]

Or maybe they should have sprayed them with highly concentrated pot smoke, to make them woozy.