When do conspiracy theories jump the shark?

[JayUtah]

We really are that good at something!

Then why is it so hard for you to accept that other people really are that good at something else that you may not be good at? You tout skill achieved by one party at great effort, but you propose to trump with ordinary "common sense" that which has been achieved at great effort by others.

Conversely, why do you think you are exempt from having to demonstrate competent on a subject before having your judgment accepted as valid? You assert that one must demonstrate considerable skill at swimming in order to be on a national team. But you don't realize that other people on other teams may want you to demonstrate your own skill before you undertake to criticize them.

 

[carlitos]

Sure swimmers cheat.......

Most of the best on the US team would not risk it however.

We really are that good at something! Swimming, not cheating that is ......

Vaccines are "good" generally speaking......

"Common sense wise", I do not have much of an opinion one way or the other. Professionally, there is no question vaccines are very important. Just the polio and small pox examples are enough to sell one on vaccines.

That said, I am 54, I work in a hospital with a ton of sick people including patients with influenza, and I have only been vaccinated against seasonal influenza once or twice I believe in my entire life.

You are by far the oldest member of the US Swim Team. Congrats on your staying power, and good luck in the next meet.

 

[Patrick1000]

Wish I was on the team......

You are by far the oldest member of the US Swim Team. Congrats on your staying power, and good luck in the next meet.

Wish I was on the team......

Still, I do follow them everywhere, Beijing, Shanghai, Omaha, London in 2012....

I am still not bad, well known in these parts actually. I can butterfly 1000 yards, roughly .57 miles WITHOUT STOPPING. Do you know personally anyone age 14 or 24 or 34 or 44 that can butterfly that far without a break carlitos? If you are uninitiated as regards swimming, it is work for even high level competitive swimmers to go 200 yards/200 meters, the stroke is that challenging energy requirement wise.

 

[JayUtah]

I can butterfly 1000 yards, roughly .57 miles WITHOUT STOPPING.

Everyone knows that's impossible.

If you are uninitiated as regards swimming...

Common sense tells me everything that anyone can know about swimming. Based on my common sense, I'd say your claim is bogus.

...it is work for even high level competitive swimmers to go 200 yards/200 meters, the stroke is that challenging energy requirement wise.

So you admit that the best swimmers can only go a fraction of the distance you claim to swim. Your claims are internally inconsistent and therefore false.

 

[Patrick1000]

Au contraire......

Everyone knows that's impossible.



Common sense tells me everything that anyone can know about swimming. Based on my common sense, I'd say your claim is bogus.



So you admit that the best swimmers can only go a fraction of the distance you claim to swim. Your claims are internally inconsistent and therefore false.

Au contraire......

Here is an article(link below) about a swimmer who "flied" a mile and a half in open water no less.

"Tom Boettcher, a high-tech entrepreneur in Chicago, recently swam butterfly from Alcatraz Island to San Francisco, a distance of 1.5 miles, across choppy waters".

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703957604575272680396369848.html

Of course Phelps can do what I can and way way way more. My claim is not that I am better. The point is that going 200 yards is very difficult for everyone that does the stroke, let alone going 1,000 yards , just ask any competitive swimmer. I was giving carlitos a frame of reference. Many competitive swimmers cannot swim 200 meters of fly period because they simply lack the requisite technique for the stroke, not because they are in inadequate shape.

Actually, swimming fly like this, 1,000 yards without a stop, requires technique more than strength. You have to have good enough technical skill to swim the stoke fully aerobically. Most swimmers go anaerobic very early on in swimming fly. As such, they will not go far.

 

[Garrison]

Au contraire......

Here is an article(link below) about a swimmer who "flied" a mile and a half in open water no less.

"Tom Boettcher, a high-tech entrepreneur in Chicago, recently swam butterfly from Alcatraz Island to San Francisco, a distance of 1.5 miles, across choppy waters".

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703957604575272680396369848.html

Of course Phelps can do what I can and way way way more. My claim is not that I am better. The point is that going 200 yards is very difficult for everyone that does the stroke, let alone going 1,000 yards , just ask any competitive swimmer. I was giving carlitos a frame of reference. Many competitive swimmers cannot swim 200 meters of fly period because they simply lack the requisite technique for the stroke, not because they are in inadequate shape.

Actually, swimming fly like this, 1,000 yards without a stop, requires technique more than strength. You have to have good enough technical skill to swim the stoke fully aerobically. Most swimmers go anaerobic very early on in swimming fly. As such, they will not go far.

Wow Jayutah's post went right over your head didn't it? Hint: try comparing it to your Apollo posts.

 

[JayUtah]

Au contraire....

Garrison got my point. You did not.

 

[Patrick1000]

Guess I'm dense in this regard Jay......

Garrison got my point. You did not.

Guess I am dense in this regard Jay......

When it comes to swimming, I lose the metaphors and think concretely. As we say on our drives out to Chun's Reef, "see ya' in the water!"

 

[Garrison]

Guess I am dense in this regard Jay......

When it comes to swimming, I lose the metaphors and think concretely.

Put it another way, when it comes to a subject where you apparently have some actual knowledge/experience other people's 'common sense' is irrelevant. What a shame you won't extend that same principle to those whose knowledge and experience contradicts your 'common sense' about Apollo.

 

[JayUtah]

Guess I am dense in this regard Jay...

Be that as it may, the point is still made. Would you care to address it?