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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Noztradamus said:
Yes, Robert, I know. There was even a film about someone who was a Communist for the FBI.

But this is more fundamental than Politics. It's about Power and the real enemy who had what Hoover wanted.

Hoover's paranoia would never have allowed him to employ someone who might be under the influence of James Jesus Angleton.
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Apparently he did. Not as an employee but a contract agent.
 
tsig said:
Other than the fact that Oswald worked there, came to work with a long package that day and then fled the scene there's no reason at all to suspect him of anything.:rolleyes:
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Oswald worked there, came to work with a short package that day, the left, not fled the scene when told there would be no more work that day. Get your facts straight.
 
EventHorizon said:
Why do you keep going on about this irrelevant question? It doesn't matter. Their observations don't match the evidence. You want an answer? Fine. They were either mistaken or lying. There. Can we move on from this now?
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Let's go over this again one by one. Are you saying that all these witnesses from both Parkland and Bethesda are either lying or mistaken?????

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There are thirty well qualified witnesses to JFK's skull wound from Parkland to Bethesda. Their earliest, unrehearsed, specific descriptions, written, verbal or both, place a major skull defect unambiguously at the posterior.

At Parkland

l. KEMP CLARK, MD: Professor and Director of Neurological Surgery at Parkland

2, ROBERT McCLELLAND, MD:

3, MARION THOMAS JENKINS, MD:

4. CHARLES JAMES CARRICO, MD

5. MALCOLM PERRY, MD:

6. RONALD COY JONES: was a senior General Surgery resident physician

7. GENE AIKIN, MD: an anesthesiologist at Parkland

8. PAUL PETERS, MD: a resident physician

9. CHARLES CRENSHAW, MD: a resident physician

10. CHARLES RUFUS BAXTER, MD: a resident physician

11. ROBERT GROSSMAN, MD

12. RICHARD BROOKS DULANEY, MD: was a first year general surgery resident

13. ADOLPH GIESECKE, MD: an assistant professor of anesthesiology

14. FOUAD BASHOUR, MD: an associate professor of medicine

15. KENNETH EVERETT SALYER, MD: was an intern

16 PAT HUTTON, RN: a nurse

17. SECRET SERVICE AGENT CLINT HILL

18. NURSE DIANA HAMILTON BOWRON

Witnesses at Bethesda

1. GODFREY McHUGH: was President Kennedy's Air Force Aid,

2. JOHN STRINGER: was the autopsy photographer.

3. MORTICIAN TOM ROBINSON

4. ROBERT FREDERICK KARNEI, MD: Bethesda pathologist,

5. PAUL KELLY O'CONNOR

6. JAMES CURTIS JENKINS

7. RICHARD A. LIPSEY: an aide to General Wehle

8. EDWARD REED: one of two X-ray technicians

9. JERROL CUSTER: the other X-ray technician

10. JAN GAIL RUDNICKI: Dr. Boswell's lab assistant

11. JAMES E. METZLER: was a hospital corpsman

12. JOHN EBERSOLE, MD: was Assistant Chief of Radiology

But I do give you credit for at least being the one Deep Thinker on this board, not afraid to stand up for what you believe in, no matter how ridiculous.
 
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RoboTimbo said:
Originally Posted by RoboTimbo View Post
What was in the long package Oswald took to work that day, Robert?
Answer the question, Robert.
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It was a short package, he could carry under his arm. I don't know what it was and neither do you. It may have actually been curtain rods.
 
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Robert Prey said:
It was a short package, he could carry under his arm. I don't know what it was and neither do you. It may have actually been curtain rods.
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It was a long package and I do know, and so do you.

Where did the curtain rods go, Robert? And how did Oswald's rifle get to the 6th floor of the TSBD?

More inconvenient truths:

Warren Commission Report said:
The President's Head Wounds

The detailed autopsy of President Kennedy performed on the night of November 22 at the Bethesda Naval Hospital led the three examining pathologists to conclude that the smaller hole in the rear of the President's skull was the point of entry and that the large opening on the right side of his head was the wound of exit.
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Chapter 3, pages 86-87. You should read them, Robert. Did you note where it said smaller hole in the rear being the point of entry? And the large opening on the right side being the exit?

Are they lying or simply mistaken, Robert?
 
Robert Prey said:
Let's go over this again one by one. Are you saying that all these witnesses from both Parkland and Bethesda are either lying or mistaken?????
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Again, since what they observed does not match the evidence then they must be either lying or mistaken. I'll also offer a third possibility. Given the half-truths, distortions and outright lies you've thrown at us already I'm willing to bet that more than one of them that you claim are saying they saw a large exit wound in the back of the head said no such thing; either that or you've taken their statements completely out of context.


ETA - Just to expand on this thought, you have Dr. Carrico on your list. Dr. Carrico claims that the body was never turned over; that they were too busy saving his life. If Kennedy was on his back the entire time at Parkland it stands to reason that a lot of blood may have pooled to the back of his head giving the appearance of a large wound. But it was never examined thoroughly by the Doctors at Parkland. If this is true, how could anybody at Parkland say with any certainty what type of wound the President had in the back of his head?
 
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I would agree that a hole that penetrated the skull and was about 6.5 MM in diameter would qualify as a
a major skull defect
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. The vast majority of people who are alive today do not have anything similar to such "a major skull defect ".
 
Robert Prey said:
It was a short package, he could carry under his arm. I don't know what it was and neither do you. It may have actually been curtain rods.
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How do you know it was short? Did you see it?

Without more solid evidence than the comments of a single person, how can you reply on that information unless you do so because it agrees with what you believe?

While I agree that is may have been curtain rods, it may have also been an Italian military rifle.
 
Robert Prey said:
It was a short package, he could carry under his arm. I don't know what it was and neither do you. It may have actually been curtain rods.
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For his ten dollar a week room at 1026 N. Beckley that didn't need curtain rods? Try again.

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You know, it might give us enough information to answer Roberts irrelevant question if he explained at which point the massive head wound appeared on the back of JFKs head.

Why it was not there in the z film or polaroid.

Why, in the uncropped version of his death stare photo it appears on the top front of the head.

Right after he proves the double agent thing, that the package was not a rifle, that the media were indulgant of JFK and showed left wing sympathies... lot of statements being thrown around with no facts, figures or support.

Rob... why wont you just save your theory from sinking to oblivion and tell us why there is no material evidence for a rear exit wound?
 
a major skull defect
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As house pointed out, an entry wound can be a skull defect. Fractures or shattering not resulting in an external wound can be a defect visible by the shape of the skull.

How many specified that defect as an exit wound? And why is no exit wound visible on the back of JFKs head when he left the plaza? Or in your deathstare photo? What about the exit wound on the top front that is visible when we look at the uncropped version?

Are you hoping that if you don't address the issue it will somehow validate the claim? List a thousand people who saw it. A million. It wasn't there in the plaza, or at the autopsy....why?
 
Tomtomkent said:
As house pointed out, an entry wound can be a skull defect. Fractures or shattering not resulting in an external wound can be a defect visible by the shape of the skull.

How many specified that defect as an exit wound? And why is no exit wound visible on the back of JFKs head when he left the plaza? Or in your deathstare photo? What about the exit wound on the top front that is visible when we look at the uncropped version?

Are you hoping that if you don't address the issue it will somehow validate the claim? List a thousand people who saw it. A million. It wasn't there in the plaza, or at the autopsy....why?
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There is no exit wound at the top front. What are you looking at?
 
GregHouseMD said:
How do you know it was short? Did you see it?

Without more solid evidence than the comments of a single person, how can you reply on that information unless you do so because it agrees with what you believe?

While I agree that is may have been curtain rods, it may have also been an Italian military rifle.
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"When Frazier appeared before the Commission and was asked to demonstrate how Oswald carried the package, he said, 'Like I said, I remember that I didn't look at the package very much...but when I did look at it he did have his hands on the package like that.' and at this point Frazier placed the upper part of the package under his armpit and attempted to cup his right hand beneath the bottom of the bag. The disassembled rifle was to long to be carried in this manner." -- Warren Report, Page 134
 
EventHorizon said:
Again, since what they observed does not match the evidence then they must be either lying or mistaken. I'll also offer a third possibility. Given the half-truths, distortions and outright lies you've thrown at us already I'm willing to bet that more than one of them that you claim are saying they saw a large exit wound in the back of the head said no such thing; either that or you've taken their statements completely out of context.


ETA - Just to expand on this thought, you have Dr. Carrico on your list. Dr. Carrico claims that the body was never turned over; that they were too busy saving his life. If Kennedy was on his back the entire time at Parkland it stands to reason that a lot of blood may have pooled to the back of his head giving the appearance of a large wound. But it was never examined thoroughly by the Doctors at Parkland. If this is true, how could anybody at Parkland say with any certainty what type of wound the President had in the back of his head?
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"The wound I saw was a large gaping wound located in the right ocipitoparietal area." -- Dr. Carrico, Warren Comm. Hearings, Page 6, Vol. 6
 
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Tomtomkent said:
Head in the sand? Tell me Rob, which of these inconvenient realities are you unable to face:

1) The uncropped version of the deathstare photograph.[nsfw] http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/history/news-jfk-autopsies-and-conspiries-photos?image=7 [nsfw] Notice the large hole in the top front of JFKs head?
2) The polaroid image of JFK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Moorman that ties in with the Z film, and fails to sow te back of is head missing.
3) The fact that your claims to describe the ACTUAL exit wound as a entry wound defy the laws of physics on several counts. The amount of ejecta and the trajectories described do not match the entry wound you describe.
4) The evidence trail tying Oswald to the murder weapons.
5) Inconvenient witnesses to his murder of Tippet and attempted murder of another police officer.
6) Your claims that the photographs of Oswald wit is rifle are fraudulent ave not been supported by any kind of evidence. Shadows you claim are impossible are common place.
7) Your "evidence" of a conspiracy is largely speculation based on other, unrelated corruption and gossip.
8) A dead man can not, by any means imaginable leave a latent print. And your "evidence" of retrieving a print was for a metod used in identification, that can not have been used to place a dead persons print on the rifle. No number of claims the rifle was taken to a funeral home, or of a white wash can change that.
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Gosh no exit wound you say? Look at the uncropped version of the photo lined above. See the big hole in JFKs head? No? Ok that explains everything.
 
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