Stephen King's 11/22/63

You knew what I meant. Or, at least, you should now. Stop being an ass.

so you don't understand the term "can you link"
admit it, there is no such thing as "traditional time travel", because you've ignored two great oppotunities to prove otherwise
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be an ass if I want, am following your example
 
I read the front flap and the first page of this the other day in the grocery store. It pretty much had me at "The".

Next time I have an extra $35 plus tax bulging in my wallet, I'll pick up the book and see if my love-at-first-page is justified.
 
I would wonder why the traveler didn't get in touch with JFK and discuss the Cuban invasion and missile crisis. Altering that might have had some influence of JFK's whereabouts, especially if the assassination also came up.
Instead of pestering LHOLN, take the situation up a few levels.
 
I've read most of Steve's books, and look forward to this one. I've just finished "The Dome" recently, and didn't consider one of his best ones, but I hope he still has a few good novels left in him... and it wasn't the worst of his works either.

A return to the times where he wrote "Rose Madder" and "Gerald's Game" would be extremely disappointing. Both were completely worthless, IMO, and it seems that a lot of what he wrote during the time that he was actually advertising on television sucked. The only decent novel that I read of his that was widely advertised on T.V. was "Insomnia" -- which was actually one of my favorites, but it was the only exception. (I'm talking about actual commercials here, not interviews, etc.). Of course, he could STILL have commercials on T.V. for his books for all I know, but I haven't seen them in a good 10 years or so... maybe closer to 15.
 
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I'm on my way to the USA for "American Thanksgiving." Canadians, being more sensible, celebrate Thanksgiving in October, and have no holidays in November. They do, however, have a civic holiday in August, while the USA has no August holidays, and Victoria Day precedes Memorial Day by a week, which Canadians do not observe in part because it is duplicative of Veterans Day in November. But I digress. WHERE THE HELL WAS I??

Oh, yeah. The USA. While there, I will try to buy King's book. As I have complained about before, books that come into Canada get bumped up in price by aboot 20 percent, and get triple-taxed (I think). May as pick up a copy while in the USA.
 
I would wonder why the traveler didn't get in touch with JFK and discuss the Cuban invasion and missile crisis. Altering that might have had some influence of JFK's whereabouts, especially if the assassination also came up.
Instead of pestering LHOLN, take the situation up a few levels.

What does "LHOLN" stand for? Lee Harvey Oswald, Licensed Nurse?
 
What does "LHOLN" stand for? Lee Harvey Oswald, Licensed Nurse?
I assumed the LN was 'lone nut' or similar.

I would wonder why the traveler didn't get in touch with JFK and discuss the Cuban invasion and missile crisis. Altering that might have had some influence of JFK's whereabouts, especially if the assassination also came up.
Instead of pestering LHOLN, take the situation up a few levels.
That could be a mite trickier than an anonymous warning about an assassination attempt. How would you establish contact with Kennedy? Or establish your bona-fides, unless you proved you were from the future.
 
I finished the book last night. I read it on my iPad*. I enjoyed it quite a bit. I've been a casual fan of King for decades, but haven't read any of his new stuff in years. I read most of his older stuff between '85-'94. Of the books of his that I have read, I'd rank them thus (rankings are relative to each other):

1. It
2. The Stand
3. Misery
4. Christine
5. 11/22/63
6. Carrie
7. Pet Sematary
8. Different Seasons
9 Salem's Lot
10 Cujo
17.The Shining
23. Night Shift (stories)
30. The Dead Zone
36. Firestarter
107. The Dark Tower I: The Gunslinger
108. The Talisman
109. Skeleton Crew
174. The Tommyknockers
206. Needful Things
504. Gerald's Game










*If you don't have an eReader of some kind and you are an avid reader, you should sonsider getting one. The reading experience on my iPad required about 5 minutes to get used to, and it now feels every bit as satisfying as holding a "real" book - but it is considerably more convenient. Books are much less expensive as well, and you probably would pay for a dedicated device in short order. This book was about $11.
 
I assumed the LN was 'lone nut' or similar.
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That could be a mite trickier than an anonymous warning about an assassination attempt. How would you establish contact with Kennedy? Or establish your bona-fides, unless you proved you were from the future.
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The Ipad with the Zapruder film.
The technology alone would jump start the nano-electronic business.
And don't forget to tell MLK about Memphis, and RFK about Sirhan Sirhan..
And OBL....
 
those of you who liked Kings better work will probably like this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Laymon
Richard Carl Laymon (January 14, 1947 - February 14, 2001[1]) was an American author of suspense and horror fiction, particularly within the splatterpunk subgenre. He was born in Chicago, Illinois and lived as a child in California. He received a BA in English Literature from Willamette University in Oregon and an MA in English Literature from Loyola University in Los Angeles
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His works include more than sixty short stories and more than thirty novels, a few of which were published under the pseudonym Richard Kelly. However, despite praise from prominent writers from within the genre, including Stephen King and Dean Koontz, Laymon is little known in his homeland, though he enjoyed greater success in Europe, particularly in the United Kingdom. The author largely viewed this as a product of the poorly re-edited and reconstructed first release of The Woods Are Dark, which had over 50 pages removed. The book was released uncut in the UK, and he credited the release with his popularity there. His novel Flesh was named Best Horror Novel of 1988 by Science Fiction Chronicle, and both Flesh and Funland were nominated for the Bram Stoker Award. He won this award posthumously in 2001 for The Traveling Vampire Show. Richard Laymon died in 2001, of a massive heart attack and is survived by his wife, Ann, and daughter, Kelly..
 
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The Ipad with the Zapruder film.
OK, massive historical disruption. Reminds me of The Foresight War or that one with Churchill playing with a calculator in his bath.

.The technology alone would jump start the nano-electronic business.
Not unless you'd also brought fifty years of technical details. Modern VLSI is based on a vast number of prior technologies, component density for example has increased a trillion fold. Even the refining and purification techniques for high density IC's would need to be developed.
 
OK, massive historical disruption. Reminds me of The Foresight War or that one with Churchill playing with a calculator in his bath.


Not unless you'd also brought fifty years of technical details. Modern VLSI is based on a vast number of prior technologies, component density for example has increased a trillion fold. Even the refining and purification techniques for high density IC's would need to be developed.
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It would be a bit like the killing of the goose that laid the gold eggs to find out how it did that, as the boffins dissected the iPad, but it would show them what was possible, and get the ball rolling.
 
OK, I finished it yesterday, and here's my take: The first part, set in Maine (mostly Derry) was absolutely fabulous, but the rest of the novel had a major flaw or two.

The worst flaw was that one of the major characters wasn't developed successfully. I'm talking about Sadie. She was incredibly important to the second half of the novel, but I never really felt like I "got to know her" as it were. She just seemed to be a generic girlfriend of the first person protagonist, with very little personality of her own. Yes, it talked a lot about her, but she just wasn't convincingly unique, somehow.

Secondly, I found Steve's description of the alternate world where Kennedy was not assassinated to be lacking. I understand that our visit there was necessarily fairly brief, but I know that the great Stephen King can do much better... hell, I've read much better from him. His conclusion was fine, but it lacked in development.

I also found it odd that he didn't play off the "end justifying the means" question a bit more. It wouldn't even be a new theme to him, as he visited it quite well in "The Dead Zone" in his early years. Here, the main character didn't seem to even have an issue with the question. Instead, he just figured it was OK to kill a person in order to stop them from killing someone else later... even when they didn't plan to do so yet. Oddly, there was no discussion of this being a moral issue, even though it was obvious that it should be.

I've read enough of Steve's works to know when he got in a hurry and said "good enough" to something that just wasn't quite right. I've seen it in a few other books of his, too. Maybe it has to do with a deadline, or maybe it's just a lack of effort, I don't know. I would put "Under the Dome" and this one at about the same level... not his best work, but then again, not quite as bad as his worst.
 
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I finished the novel just before the end of 2011. My take is that there are some departures from the usual Stephen King style, but occasionally the story reverts to King's usual storytelling techniques. I won't give examples because ... well ... I'd consider them to be spoilers. But basically the examples relate to:
  • Graphic descriptions of gory events
  • A character detects blood in his mouth by the taste of copper
  • Foreshadowing as subtle as a fire alarm
  • Something bad happens to a protagonist and it's really bad
  • Emphasis is made on local accents and pronunciations
  • To enhance authenticity, characters use figures of speech that no one has ever used colloquially, ever
  • Themes (such as "The past is obdurate" and "The past harmonizes") are repeated explicitly, usually in italics
  • Weird stuff happens with no explanation at all
That said, the story had some very strong points, and is worth the investment of time. If you are a buff, you won't find anything especially enlightening in the story (and King himself admits at least one significant historical revision). What you might find, though, is a new perspective on the unwinding of the events. What you will certainly find is that there is a lot more story revolving around things that are unrelated to Kennedy ... which is in a way what the story is about.

The hero goes back in time with a definite purpose (actually one big purpose and several small ones). As a practical matter, however, he cannot devote all his time and effort on the purpose for which he has traveled. He has to do more than that. He has to live his life. The big purpose of his existence in the past almost gets lost in his life.

There are several episodes in the story about changing the future. The ones that resonate pertain to teachers who try to change the futures of their students for the better. Teachers--good ones--are SUPPOSED to change the future. They do it ON PURPOSE.

Another point worth mentioning is that, from time to time, one actually does get a sense of how things were within the lifetime of many of us on this forum (myself included). Smoking was prevalent, almost universal. Racism and sexism were overt. People communicated in different ways. Things taken for granted today did not exist.

And yet, when the occasional anachronism occurs (some of them clearly intentional, some less than clearly so), the illusion can be disturbed for just a moment, and the pleasant sensation that the reader has of actual time travel abruptly evaporates.

There is one final observation that is worth mentioning. For those who have some familiarity with the past, especially the events leading up to the death of President Kennedy, there are a number of events described in the novel, with no fanfare or explanation or discussion, that will resonate with those who know about the events in question. I will mention only one, with fair warning that those who wish to read the novel should not read this, even though I've obscured it a bit:
Oswald is shot in the novel. I won't say where, when or by whom. In a sense, he was shot as he was in real life, sort of. And yet, he was shot in his body in a manner that might strike some chords with those who know about the events of 11/22/63.
 
Could be. I remember reading the first of the series and wasn't impressed. I didn't bother with the rest.
King is very fickle. Some of his stuff is very good, others are crap. There's a bunch of works in the middle ground that are just so-so.
I tend to like his short stories.
Most that have been put to film have been very disappointing. With the exception of The Stand, Carrie and of course Shining.
The cat series was very good, but I think that was just a TV production.

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If you only read the first you got the short end of the stick.

As king himself, literally, says in the ...6th novel? ( i am giving them a re listen in audiobook format.) The first book was just going to be a western with a touch of the supernatural, kind of a homage to the man with no name. Once you get into the other books in the series, it is a completely different animal.

But in general i agree about king, i find his last dozen or so books, he can still write a story, but what he is missing is knowing how to friggen end it. Every one feels like running a 200 mile marathon, complete with television coverage, and fanfare, but getting to the finish line and it is deserted.

I mean under the dome is one of the best examples. **slight spoiler alert ** I was loving the book, until i got about three quarters of the way through and realized, besides the basic premise of the book, nothing was happening. I got the same vibe you do when you know someone forgot the important bit in a story, but keeps trying to pad it in hopes they will remember.
 
If you only read the first you got the short end of the stick.

As king himself, literally, says in the ...6th novel? ( i am giving them a re listen in audiobook format.) The first book was just going to be a western with a touch of the supernatural, kind of a homage to the man with no name. Once you get into the other books in the series, it is a completely different animal.

But in general i agree about king, i find his last dozen or so books, he can still write a story, but what he is missing is knowing how to friggen end it. Every one feels like running a 200 mile marathon, complete with television coverage, and fanfare, but getting to the finish line and it is deserted.

I mean under the dome is one of the best examples. **slight spoiler alert ** I was loving the book, until i got about three quarters of the way through and realized, besides the basic premise of the book, nothing was happening. I got the same vibe you do when you know someone forgot the important bit in a story, but keeps trying to pad it in hopes they will remember.

I stopped reading both King and Koontz when I began to see a pattern where I could actually tell the point in which they were tired of writing the book and just wanted to wrap it up.
 
I'm not exactly a King fan, but I've read quite a few of his stories. I liked some of the twisted stories from Skeleton Crew, as well as The Stand and Salem's Lot. Pet Sematary was a good book to get the old imagination going... and what I imagined was far, far more troublesome than was was shown explicitly in the movie.

Some King stories I started, but was unable to finish. The story just didn't seem to go anywhere, or wasn't interesting. And truth be told, there were some points in 11/22/63 where I started to question whether I wanted to set the book down for a while or press on to the payoff. I pressed on.

The book It was sort of a special case. Like 11/22/63 and The Stand, it was a long work and required a considerable investment. The plot was basically good, and I liked the general way in which the story was told, but at times, the book became dreadfully dull. I found myself wondering, "Did no one mention to Stephen that these ten pages could be collapsed down to a paragraph or two without serious loss?"

For some parts of It, I'm still not sure what the heck happened. All those words, so little explanation. Didn't seem right.

And It (like The Stand) had its share of moments in which I wondered why a plot point was introduced so late in the story, especially when it could have been (and in some cases should have been) introduced earlier. There were also times when I wondered what the point of a particular episode was. What does this add to or have to do with the story? Why tell the reader this? I'm happy to say that I had fewer such feelings when I read 11/22/63. The story slowed down at times, but I never got the sense that part of the narrative was gratuitous or windy or basically irrelevant.

But I have to say that the first references to It in 11/22/63 made me cringe. As it happened, 11/22/63 did not really add to or explain the It story, and actually handled it in a manner that I thought was (mostly) clever.
 
This is more or less my reaction. A friend has promised to lend me his copy when he's finished. He's about 3/4 done, and says it is a quick read. I'm not a King fan at all -- he's the most undisciplined writer of his era -- or that much of a JFK aficionado, but my friend says it's pretty fast paced so I'll give it a go.
 
When I was much younger I was making up a synopses for a Yoyagers! movie. If anyone remembers the series, it's about a guy and a kid who need to set history straight. In my movie they end up in 1963 and find out Kennedy hasn't been killed. They then need to travel back in time some further and convince Lee Harvey Oswald to kill the president.

(If Hollywood picks this up, I expect big bugs coming my way ;))
 

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