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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Speaking of baloney.



Another of Robert's assertions. I guest that three foot long parcel Oswald took into the building had his lunch in it.

And it's odd. When the eye witnesses support his theory they are best evidence. Yet he has no comment to make on those who saw LHO fleeing, those who saw him shoot Tippet, those who saw LHO take the final shot and withdraw the rifle...

More to the point, he wants us to accept there was a shooter on the grassy gnoll because somebody was seen with a package that looked like a rifle bag before the shooting? Hmmm... Yet simaler evidence is not enough against Oswald? Consistancy is not his strong point it seems.
 
Would it be fair to say that if there was not large blow-out in the back of the head, then the Parkland witnesses were either mistaken or lying? That's not a loaded question, just pure and simple logic. Is that a fair conclusion or is it not?

You've repeatedly slunk away from answering questions, Robert. Time for you to start answering some.

Do you think all physicists are lying or mistaken about how entry and exit wounds work?

Answer the question, Robert. Are all physicists lying or mistaken?

Answer the question, Robert. Why is there a mass of ejecta coming out the right front of JFK's head from an exit wound?

Time for you to start facing reality and answering questions, Robert.
 
Would it be fair to say that if there was not large blow-out in the back of the head, then the Parkland witnesses were either mistaken or lying? That's not a loaded question, just pure and simple logic. Is that a fair conclusion or is it not?

Which ones do you think are lying or mistaken? The ones who performed the autopsy and agree with the large exit wound we see in the Zapruder film or the ones you've cherry picked?
 
This is a small space, and zilliions of words and hundreds of books have been written to cover all of the possibilities, so in the future, please limit your questions to one at a time. Nontheless I'll humor you this once.

"Oswald had motive,"
Not even discussed yet on this board. If he had motive, could you kindly relate as to what that might have been? LHO was repeatedly quoted as admiring Pres. Kennedy. So what was his motive?????

"He owned the rifle"
You don't know that.There is no proof he was the one who picked it up from the post office, and the Post Office records for the transaction, like so many other pieces of evidence was "missing".

"ballistics experts say is the gun the fired the bullets that struck Kennedy. "
Perhaps some, but not all of the bullets.

"His subsequent behavior (fleeing the scene, killing Tippit,"

He didn't "flee" the scene. He was found eating lunch on the 2nd floor. He left when his supervisor said there would be no more work that day.
There is strong evidence that he may not have killed Tippit.

"his odd, evasive answers to reporters etc."

" No sir, I didn't shoot anyone...I'm just a Patsy!"
Does that sound evasive?

"Why did the conspirators bother even attempting to forge the lone gunman narrative?

In the words of Fletcher Prouty, to make everyone look "here" instead of "there.".

"Why is it naive to suggest there are other easier ways to kill Kennedy?"
Name one.

" What I can't buy is that they'd deliberately frame a lone patsy by using multiple shooters in multiple locations. Such a plan would be perversely stupid."

I just don't know how you can logically argue with success. John Wilkes Booth tried it another way and was caught. The attempted assassins of Reagan,FDR, McKinley and Ford tried it another way and were caught. The JFK hit was successful in that via the use of a convenient Patsy, nobody was ever caught.

"Kennedy was not only in poor health (something your shadowy all seeing cabal would know about). He also had several scandalous secrets that he could have been either blackmailed with or raked over the coals with if they had been made public, potentially affecting his chances at reelection."

Kennedy had just what Obama has going for him today, a friendly, indulgent liberal press. They all knew about K's indiscretions, but their liberal bias prevailed and they kept quiet.

Why was it so important for the conspirators to kill him?

CIA: Threat to break up CIA over Bay of Pigs disaster
Cubans within CIA -- Revenge for Bay of Pigs betrayal.
Mafia: Revenge for Bobby's anti-Mafia crusade after the Mafia had helped elect Kennedy.
LBJ: Hatred for Kennedy and lust for power.


The CIA, the Mafia and LBJ conspired to kill Kennedy?

LBJ had such a lust for power that he didn't run for reelection.
 
You've repeatedly slunk away from answering questions, Robert. Time for you to start answering some.

Do you think all physicists are lying or mistaken about how entry and exit wounds work?

Answer the question, Robert. Are all physicists lying or mistaken?

Answer the question, Robert. Why is there a mass of ejecta coming out the right front of JFK's head from an exit wound?

Time for you to start facing reality and answering questions, Robert.

I believe you mean the Physicians not the Physicists. But that assertion was made a long time ago. Of course I do not believe the doctors, nurses and attendants at Parkland are lying, nor mistaken. When you have that many first hand witnesses observing essentially the same thing, that adds up to truth. Now, time for you to answer the same question.
 
I believe you mean the Physicians not the Physicists. But that assertion was made a long time ago. Of course I do not believe the doctors, nurses and attendants at Parkland are lying, nor mistaken. When you have that many first hand witnesses observing essentially the same thing, that adds up to truth. Now, time for you to answer the same question.


Er, no. When discussing the actions of a bullet, passing through matter and causing a reaction, physicists are the ones to talk about. You know, the laws of inertia, newtonian physics, that sort of thing?

Want to try again?
 
LBJ met his Waterloo in Vietnam. That's why he didn't run.

Makes no sense. He had the CIA and Mafia and (for the conspiracy to have worked) the judges, the mediccal boards, DCPD, and FBI so under his influence he could have rigged any election.

Seriously, you think after the bizzaro world plan you are claiming he pulled off a few ballots would have been difficult to rig? REALLY?
 
And it's odd. When the eye witnesses support his theory they are best evidence. Yet he has no comment to make on those who saw LHO fleeing, those who saw him shoot Tippet, those who saw LHO take the final shot and withdraw the rifle...

More to the point, he wants us to accept there was a shooter on the grassy gnoll because somebody was seen with a package that looked like a rifle bag before the shooting? Hmmm... Yet simaler evidence is not enough against Oswald? Consistancy is not his strong point it seems.

Nobody saw Oswald "fleeing." Nobody saw Oswald take the final shot and withdraw the rifle. Do some homework before you embarrass yourself any further.
 
Well, that about proves the handwave statement.

Be more specific. Is it baloney that you dodge questions? That witnesses and ballistics place Oswald at the scene of tippits death? That a latent palm print was taken from the rifle? That Oswald ordered , took delivery of, and had photographs taken of two murder weapons?

Heres an idea. Supply some material evidence. Then explain why exactly you hold the Parkland statements as true even when the uncropped version of the death stare photograph doesnt support it.

It's all baloney. But if you want to go over all that again, one question at a time, please.
 
Robert, you would look less foolish if you would learn the actual meanings of words or technical phrases before you use them. (In the latter case for example "jet effect.")



Your statement above that no one saw Oswald firing a rifle from the 6th floor of the TSBD on 11/22/63 for example is an assertion and is in fact false. Several spectators in Dealey Plaza saw Oswald in the window with a rifle and one of them actually saw the last shot being fired and the barrel of the gun being withdrawn.

The items in my list of Oswald's guilt could have been presented in court by the prosecution if Oswald had gone to trial and corroborated by physical evidence or witness testimony. The evidence for most of them has been discussed already on this thread.

In your role as Oswald's defense attorney you do not of course have to present any evidence of Oswald's innocence, you merely have to prove the evidence against him is faulty. So far you have not done so.

Kindly name the witness who saw Oswald with the rifle in the window.
 
I believe you mean the Physicians not the Physicists. But that assertion was made a long time ago. Of course I do not believe the doctors, nurses and attendants at Parkland are lying, nor mistaken. When you have that many first hand witnesses observing essentially the same thing, that adds up to truth. Now, time for you to answer the same question.

No, I meant physicists. The ones who say that an exit wound will produce what we see coming out the right front of JRK's head.

Do you think all physicists are lying or mistaken about how entry and exit wounds work?

Answer the question, Robert. Are all physicists lying or mistaken?
 
It's all baloney. But if you want to go over all that again, one question at a time, please.

Wow. Im still waiting for you to answer any of the questions you have ducked so far. Answer them one at a time if you want. But i see no reason to repeat them again. Your "one at a time" is yet more ducking. What the heck, here's the list, pick one, answer it, pick the next, take as many posts as you want. We have been patient this long...

How matter explode from the "entry wound" on multiple trajectories in an "explosion" of a fragmenting bullet if a teeny tiny entry wound only allows for one direction?
Why is the "entry" ejecta visible on the Z film but no exit wound ejecta visible from the back of the head?
Why is no ejacta visible over the top of the seats or the trunk of the limo in any photographs?
Why does the interview you posted not show any sings that Jackie had to scoop up any brain from the hood, or had time to do so before claiming she had the brain in her hands?
Why on the death stare photo, when uncropped, is there a large exit wound on the top of the front of the head?
Why is there no exit wound on the back of the head in the z film or poloroid, or the uncropped death stare photograph?
At what point would the vast exit wound become visible on the back of his head?
Had a frangible bullet removed, as sources posted by you suggested Robert, that the back of JFKs head was missing and the brain had "gone" and was no longer there, how were the components of a fragmented bullet able to remain in the head? Why were they not ejected with the matter they forced out?
Why have you failed to produce material evidence to support the existence of a large exit wound on the back of JFKs head?

Take your time. If you answer those one at a time, then go ahead. But there is no reason you should not answer them all.
 
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Nobody saw Oswald "fleeing." Nobody saw Oswald take the final shot and withdraw the rifle. Do some homework before you embarrass yourself any further.

Yes people saw oswald fleeing. He was trying to flee, Tippit tried to stop him, he shot Tippit.

Yes people saw him on the sixth floor, withdrawing his rifle.

I dont think I'm the one who should be embarrassed.
 
You've repeatedly slunk away from answering questions, Robert. Time for you to start answering some.

Do you think all physicists are lying or mistaken about how entry and exit wounds work?

Answer the question, Robert. Are all physicists lying or mistaken?

Answer the question, Robert. Why is there a mass of ejecta coming out the right front of JFK's head from an exit wound?

Time for you to start facing reality and answering questions, Robert.
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A brief recap of actual evidence posted so far...

So all the physical evidence points to Oswald:

The rifle was purchased by him, delivered to his post office box, and purchased under a false name that matched the false ID he was carrying, oh and the handwriting samples match. He was the last person to hold the rifle, because if anybody else had used it they would have destroyed and superimposed over his latent prints.

The photographs of the two murder weapons, the rifle and pistol, can not be proven to have been faked or tampered with in any way. The only viable reason we have been given are shadows, which can be seen to fall in exactly the way the photo dipicts with out tampering.

The uncropped version of the "death stare" photo shows an exit wound to the top front of the head that has yet to be explained. There are no other visible exit wounds to the head.

Neither is there any reasonable explanation for how JFK was shot in the back, unless from behind. From the TSBD.

At least one photograph taken shortly after the shooting, and the Z Film both show no sign of a large exit wound on the back of the head.

No forensic or ballistic data has been posted that can confirm any shots having come from infront of the car. The closest Robert has posted is a guy who suggest it may look to him like an entry wound from a particular type of bullet, but this is shown to be false because there is 1) no exit wound to match, and 2) no supporting evidence to confirm this subjective opinion.

So far the "multiple shooter conspiracy" is lacking any shooter who was NOT on the sixth floor of the TSBD.
 
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