Occupy Wall Street better defend its identity

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I hope you're not implying that the anticipation of violence against oneself justifies the violence inflicted upon oneself.
 
Taarkin said:
I hope you're not implying that the anticipation of violence against oneself justifies the violence inflicted upon oneself.
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What took place in that video was not "violence."

Moreover, when protestors seek out confrontation for the sake of their cause, they need not act so scandalized when they get it. It's disingenuous.
 
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shuize said:
What took place in that video was not "violence."
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Are you serious. Are you *********** serious.
Moreover, when students seek out confrontation for the sake of their cause, they need not act so scandalized when they get it. It's disingenuous.
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When the police go to a protest and seek out confrontation, would it be "disingenuous" to object to violence inflicted on them?
 
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bikerdruid said:
those damn kids...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-the-movement/2011/11/16/gIQAzateRN_blog.html
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Damn, I like this woman.

From a link within your link. Seattle PI

Rainey is a former school teacher who is well known in local political circles. A self-described "old lady in combat boots," she briefly entered the 2009 Seattle mayoral race. She quit that contest, saying she was too old.

She said Wednesday she'll still be taking part in the local Occupy Seattle movement.

"I'm pretty tough, I guess."
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No whining, no playing the victim. She knew exactly what she was doing and what the consequences would be if she ignored the police warnings.

She's got a lot to teach the younger generation of activists.
 
bikerdruid said:
those damn kids...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-the-movement/2011/11/16/gIQAzateRN_blog.html
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More bad writing:

Rainey has now been unwittingly thrust into that starring role. Protest images that become iconic show us faces in anguish, such as John Filo’s Pulitzer-winning image of the shooting at Kent State. Thankfully, no image or incident quite as violent has emerged from Occupy.
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Thankfully means in a thankful fashion. She's supposed to write, "I am thankful no image...."
 
Stout said:
No whining, no playing the victim. She knew exactly what she was doing and what the consequences would be if she ignored the police warnings.

She's got a lot to teach the younger generation of activists.
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No kidding.

As I noted above, while I don't agree with their cause, those protestors who know what's coming and accept the consequences of their civil disobedience without all the disingenous "Why oh why are you treating us this way?" melodrama earn my grudging respect.

Having said that, I pretty much agree with Newt on OWS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcwoDXb--h0&feature=player_embedded
 
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Have any of the victims said anything since the incident? Or is all this 'crybaby' stuff just conjecture?
 
Taarkin said:
Have any of the victims said anything since the incident? Or is all this 'crybaby' stuff just conjecture?
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"Victims" ... Funny.

Watching the video again, I am even more convinced the whole event was meant to provoke a police response in order to justify claims of brutality.

And, after the second viewing, I am even more impressed with the calm, professional behavior of the police and disappointed by the histronics of the student protesters.
 
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shuize said:
No kidding.

As I noted above, while I don't agree with their cause, those protestors who know what's coming and accept the consequences of their civil disobedience without all the disingenous "Why oh why are you treating us this way?" melodrama earn my grudging respect.
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"Come and see the violence inherent in the system"
 
shuize said:
And, after the second viewing, I am even more impressed with the calm, professional behavior of the police and disappointed by the histronics of the student protesters.
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It's a YouTube protest. The bigger hissy-fit you throw, the more views you get. The sad thing is that for most of the protesters, YouTube views are an end, rather than a means.
 
theprestige said:
Easy: They violently resisted arrest. Therefore the use of force was justified. Hospitalization was a justifiable consequence of the protestors' choice to violently resist arrest.
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Beyond bizarre.

jhunter1163 said:
It's a YouTube protest. The bigger hissy-fit you throw, the more views you get. The sad thing is that for most of the protesters, YouTube views are an end, rather than a means.
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I won't forget that you see nothing wrong with the State treating people like cockroaches, jhunter1163.
 
shuize said:
No kidding.

As I noted above, while I don't agree with their cause, those protestors who know what's coming and accept the consequences of their civil disobedience without all the disingenous "Why oh why are you treating us this way?" melodrama earn my grudging respect.
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Now if they can just get it into their heads that nobody is trying to "criminalize dissent", "take away their right to protest" or "deny their rights to peaceful assembly" and come to terms with the fact that it's their tactics, like setting up tent cities or refusing to move a few feet when requested, more people might take them seriously.

The corporate world has given protesters an organizational gift. With Twitter and Facebook, rallies or actions can be set up in a matter of hours. No need for all those posters on telephone poles for days in advance of the event.
 
jhunter1163 said:
It's a YouTube protest. The bigger hissy-fit you throw, the more views you get. The sad thing is that for most of the protesters, YouTube views are an end, rather than a means.
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Back in the day, like in 2005, the trend was to go to a protest, race home and scour the news hoping to see yourself on tv. Now it's about your video going viral.
 
Brainster said:
How exactly would the cops accomplish that anyway? Tell them that they've got a big pot brownie for them?
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The usual way is to pinch the nose closed so they are forced to open their mouth to breathe.

But lacking video or photographic evidence I call BS on the claim, as this incident was extensively photographed and video recorded.
 
JihadJane said:
I won't forget that you see nothing wrong with the State treating people like cockroaches, jhunter1163.
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I'm not sure how you got that out of what I posted, JJ, but whatever floats your boat.

And, as I posted in another thread, my wife is a veteran of many 60's antiwar protests, and she thinks the OWS "movement" is the most horse**** protest she has ever seen. As she so gently put it:

"Income inequality"? "Student debt forgiveness?" Why don't they just come out and say "We want someone, public or private sector, to give us money!" That's what this seems to boil down to.
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