Bill Williams
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About "changing stories" multiple times, as well as "lies"......
These are two separate issues, obviously closely-related but separate.
As for "changing stories", is there ANYONE in this case who, on the face if it, did NOT change their story? I mean that - is there? Sure, for AK people on this website who rush to her defence as to why her narrative changed at certain times, and those could even be seen as compelling reasons.... etc., etc. Sure, she "imagined" a changed narrative, but she certainly did not stubbornly stick to one narrative and damn the torpoedos!
But who did NOT change their story? The narrative the police constructed by Nov 6, 2007, was definitely NOT the narrative they took into court. Lumumba was not a suspect by the time of trial, and by the time of trial it was not the Police/Prosecution alleging that AK was in the kitchen holding her ears, while the only other assailant was in MK's room horribly murdering someone. The police/prosecution narrative had changed, almost unrecognizably - in short, they changed their story.
Who didn't?
Can anyone here name any of the characters in this unfortunate saga who did not change the narrative at some point, even if they changed it back? Even Lumumba - he at first claimed to be roughed up by police, then had nothing but good to say about them.
Or is this just the nature of HAVING to change the narrative once new information is collected? The worrisome thing is when one (including me, and perhaps all on this website) gets stuck in a narrative despite new evidence.
Perhaps the thing to worry about is if one's story DOESN'T change. Why do we get all tied in knots at an accusation that, "You changed your story, you weasel!?"
Lying - that's another thing. I might have to do it myself, but I spent WAYYYYYYY too much time on this as it is..... but can ANYONE make a list of AK's lies? Even statements that have been mistaken for "lies"? For instance, she claims in trial testimony not to remember responding to the infamous Lumumba, "Don't come into work," text-message, and is accused of lying when she said she could not remember replying. I am NOT asking for the basis for calling THAT a lie - I am asking for a list of things which are seen as lies by someone. I truly do not want to challenge people's opinions, I just want to see a list.
I think the reason people do not attempt a list like this, is that some schmuck like me is going to tear it apart, and use it as a reason to doubt the sanity of the list maker.... it is somewhat intimidating to do something like that, only to have lurkers from the weeds come in and savage the work.
So my promise - give me the list, and I promise not to tear it apart. I truly want to know what it is AK lied about. I've spent WAYYYYY too much time doing this in the last 5 weeks and truly, cannot see much (if anything) that can be called a "lie" as I understand the term (a willful, and knowledgable misstatement designed to obscure the truth).
These are two separate issues, obviously closely-related but separate.
As for "changing stories", is there ANYONE in this case who, on the face if it, did NOT change their story? I mean that - is there? Sure, for AK people on this website who rush to her defence as to why her narrative changed at certain times, and those could even be seen as compelling reasons.... etc., etc. Sure, she "imagined" a changed narrative, but she certainly did not stubbornly stick to one narrative and damn the torpoedos!
But who did NOT change their story? The narrative the police constructed by Nov 6, 2007, was definitely NOT the narrative they took into court. Lumumba was not a suspect by the time of trial, and by the time of trial it was not the Police/Prosecution alleging that AK was in the kitchen holding her ears, while the only other assailant was in MK's room horribly murdering someone. The police/prosecution narrative had changed, almost unrecognizably - in short, they changed their story.
Who didn't?
Can anyone here name any of the characters in this unfortunate saga who did not change the narrative at some point, even if they changed it back? Even Lumumba - he at first claimed to be roughed up by police, then had nothing but good to say about them.
Or is this just the nature of HAVING to change the narrative once new information is collected? The worrisome thing is when one (including me, and perhaps all on this website) gets stuck in a narrative despite new evidence.
Perhaps the thing to worry about is if one's story DOESN'T change. Why do we get all tied in knots at an accusation that, "You changed your story, you weasel!?"
Lying - that's another thing. I might have to do it myself, but I spent WAYYYYYYY too much time on this as it is..... but can ANYONE make a list of AK's lies? Even statements that have been mistaken for "lies"? For instance, she claims in trial testimony not to remember responding to the infamous Lumumba, "Don't come into work," text-message, and is accused of lying when she said she could not remember replying. I am NOT asking for the basis for calling THAT a lie - I am asking for a list of things which are seen as lies by someone. I truly do not want to challenge people's opinions, I just want to see a list.
I think the reason people do not attempt a list like this, is that some schmuck like me is going to tear it apart, and use it as a reason to doubt the sanity of the list maker.... it is somewhat intimidating to do something like that, only to have lurkers from the weeds come in and savage the work.
So my promise - give me the list, and I promise not to tear it apart. I truly want to know what it is AK lied about. I've spent WAYYYYY too much time doing this in the last 5 weeks and truly, cannot see much (if anything) that can be called a "lie" as I understand the term (a willful, and knowledgable misstatement designed to obscure the truth).
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The similarities between that case and this was interesting. The day of the murder, November 01, 2007, had many astrological significators which showed the power to capture the public imagination. My blog articles, What Might Have Been, The Criminal Mind, and The Psycho-Astrological Perspective on the Relationship of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were a reflection of my own perspective.
