Merged Has this structural engineer been debunked? / Astaneh-Asl "melting of girders"

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Hi "quest 4 thuth" - You could write your response into a word processing document, then copy and paste it here. That way if you get "bombed" or "booted" you would still have your words elsewhere. Just a thought.

Also, is "thuth" just "truth" misspelled, or is there a joke that I am missing? Thanks! :)
 
OK then. Could you copy / paste the information that is being filed with the Australian government? Thanks!
 
no that is not my domain i am not head administrator - i am here to ask questions and respond to anything i can.
This is part of a curriculum we have been encouraged to exercise endeavoring to establish further facts and 'thinking outside the box' that has been found to be constructive.
Papers and total information is humungous - it could not possibly be all posted
However ask questions - if you want
I am interested in others opinions also - aggravation will not be tolerated.
 
quest 4 thuth said:
no that is not my domain i am not head administrator - i am here to ask questions and respond to anything i can.
This is part of a curriculum we have been encouraged to exercise endeavoring to establish further facts and 'thinking outside the box' that has been found to be constructive.
Papers and total information is humungous - it could not possibly be all posted
However ask questions - if you want
I am interested in others opinions also - aggravation will not be tolerated.
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You have been aksed questions back in this thread. And you have not answered them. Please go back there and answer them.
 
i have been booted from some threads because i posted too many comments - lot of questions - please ask on this page
 
quest 4 thuth said:
i have been booted from some threads because i posted too many comments - lot of questions - please ask on this page
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The forum does not "boot" you. It warns you when you're trying to post too quickly, but it never "boots" you. Plus, you are obviously able to post compositions such as this. The solution is to simply wait a period of one minute between submitting posts.

Now, you were asked questions in the other thread. Please go back there and answer them.
 
ElMondoHummus said:
The forum does not "boot" you. It warns you when you're trying to post too quickly, but it never "boots" you. Plus, you are obviously able to post compositions such as this. The solution is to simply wait a period of one minute between submitting posts.

Now, you were asked questions in the other thread. Please go back there and answer them.
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Several of quest 4 thuth's posts were removed because they were identical to previous posts, thus violating rule 6. The duplicates were, essentially, "booted" to Abandon All Hope.
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Several of quest 4 thuth's posts were removed because they were identical to previous posts, thus violating rule 6. The duplicates were, essentially, "booted" to Abandon All Hope.
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Oh! I thought he was just serial posting too fast; the way I read it at first, I thought he was trying to post and getting denied. Huh. My mistake.

Thanks, Tricky!
 
quest 4 thuth said:
This is part of a curriculum we have been encouraged to exercise endeavoring to establish further facts and 'thinking outside the box' that has been found to be constructive.
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Misusing words like "curriculum" and regurgitating cliches is hardly constructive.

"a curriculum is the set of courses, course work, and content offered at a school or university."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curriculum
 
quest 4 thuth said:
ask again - lot of qeuestions - but get booted all the time i response with more questions
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right.

you keep getting booted, but then post that you got booted.

It is absolutely amazing what the NWO will do to silence "engineers."

Thank you.

Again, very simple mr. "engineer." Please provide any scientific paper, any youtube video of thermite cutting horizontally or obliquely through steel beams. With your experience and knowledge it should be easy to find.

I'll wait for it.

ETA: Let me put it much nicer. Please. Pretty please with ice cream on top can you possibly provide a single peer reviewed journal article which supports your nuttiness?
 
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So what. Youtube videos are not the great oracle.
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But isn't Astaneh one of the skeptic's "oracles"?

He states:

-that he saw melting steel girders
-that steel of WTC ie the crime scene evidence was removed and recycled before a proper investigation could be conducted into the steel.
 
Earlier tonight, I asked you to answer where Dr. Astaneh-Asl got his steel from. I was going to lead you gradually to an understanding, but it's taking too long and you won't enjoy it anyway, so I'll just say it. He got his steel by setting up shop near the steel recyclers. At the end of the salvage process. There's advantages to doing this, but you need to keep in mind that any steel he got was damaged while standing, damaged as the Pile burned, and subjected to the full chaos of recovery operations. There's no way whatsoever for Dr. Astaneh-Asl to disambiguate between "melting" suffered while the building stood, and "melting" afterwards. He didn't get to see it in place.

But that's not where I wanted to lead you. The real question, the coup de grace, is this: "What happened to the steel after Dr. Astaneh-Asl handled it?" He's talking about all this "melted" and "vaporized" steel -- where is it? Can we see it?

Indeed we can. Class, please open your books to NCSTAR1-3.

The steel that you're talking about was turned over to NIST, where it was examined in detail, and reported on. With pictures. Now, Dr. Astaneh-Asl is a sharp guy, and we can learn a lot from him, but he's not a metallurgist, and he didn't examine the steel thoroughly.

What you're working from are his initial comments. NIST did more, and found that, well, what do you know, it didn't melt after all. Or vaporize. Snicker.

NIST instead does report on "melting," i.e. eutectic action, concluding it happened in the Pile fire and is not relevant in terms of understanding the collapses. Take a look for yourself. We already know this happens, because of Dr. Barnett and Dr. Biederman's work. No mysteries here except to the uneducated and misinformed. Your team.

The only way for your ideas to make sense is if Dr. Astaneh-Asl's steel was different from the NIST steel. It isn't so. He didn't smuggle it home in a suitcase. Nor did NIST decide, in its evil power, to hide some of it so it could spin some alternate story, daring Dr. Astaneh-Asl to call them on it. Why would they? The temperatures involved in melting are actually not implausible, nor incompatible with the core NIST hypothesis. Vaporizing, well yeah, that's a poser, but that doesn't work for anybody's theory, except the space-beamers and nuke-huggers...

Did this happen? Did NIST bury evidence? Why not ask him? Check this out, all you have to do is get Dr. Astaneh-Asl to say "those fiends! They stole the evidence! I had it in my hands!!" Ask him.

He won't. You know how I know? Because he's read NIST cover to cover, like me, and he's been very critical of it. But he's never said that. Dr. Greening presented some of Dr. Astaneh-Asl's objections, and they bear some examination. He believes, possibly, the NIST Report was structured to deemphasize design flaws in the original structure. This could be true.

"Melting" and vaporizing steel, not true.

If even a drunken man can follow this path of reasoning, you should have no trouble with it at all. Impress me.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3472049#post3472049
Back to the future people... we aren't in 2008 any more
 
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