Who idolizes pre-ghost visit Ebeneezer Scrooge?

[Travis]

I've known quite a few conservatives over my life. Outside of one of them none ever seemed heartless. Thankfully the one heartless one moved to Nevada to stockpile guns.

So what's going in the Republican debates?

Why are people yelling out that an uninsured person should be left to die?

Why are they booing an active enlisted man over in Iraq just because he's gay?

Why, when Rick Perry says he won't deny the children of illegal immigrants education, do they boo him for it?

Why did they cheer for the prospect of an electrified acid moat on the border that may or may not contain exploding alligators?

Those are all things a psychopath would do. Do the debates just attract the few psychopaths that also happen to be Republicans?

 

[Robrob]

Half the people calling for the uninsured to die lack insurance themselves. They are simply deluding themselves that "it" only happens to others (who deserve it).

I was in Afghanistan last year. The only thing anyone cares about over there is can you do you r job, can you carry your load and can you watch your sector of fire. No one cares whom you dream about at night.

They need scapegoats. Illegals can't vote so there's no down side.

Spending billions on an ineffective border sounds tough. Republicans like to sound tough.

Easy to act tough.

 

[Minoosh]

I've known quite a few conservatives over my life. Outside of one of them none ever seemed heartless. Thankfully the one heartless one moved to Nevada to stockpile guns.

So what's going in the Republican debates?

Why are people yelling out that an uninsured person should be left to die?

Why are they booing an active enlisted man over in Iraq just because he's gay?

Why, when Rick Perry says he won't deny the children of illegal immigrants education, do they boo him for it?

Why did they cheer for the prospect of an electrified acid moat on the border that may or may not contain exploding alligators?

Those are all things a psychopath would do. Do the debates just attract the few psychopaths that also happen to be Republicans?

I really believe this race to the right is going to backfire. These folks will look so homophobic, so paranoid about Mexicans, so eager to kick "illegal" kids out of school and so willing to throw sick or uninsured people under the bus that huge blocs will head left.

If you lose the entire gay and gay-friendly population, all Latinos and all people with a stake in Obamacare, you've ceded a pretty good chunk of the electorate, providing these people actually vote.

 

[Ziggurat]

I thought this thread was going to be about Charles Dickens' masterpiece. I was going to add some stuff about how under-appreciated Marley is.

I am disappointed. It's just another boring politics thread.

 

[epepke]

Why are people yelling out that an uninsured person should be left to die?

It's not even that.

I'm in the hospital now (I get out tomorrow, yay!) I was dying. As it turned out, I had a pancreatic cyst of a liter in volume. Now I'll probably live for some time.

There is zero chance that I can ever pay for it. Somebody is paying for it, and probably a lot is coming out of public funds.

Paying for this, including diagnosis, treatment, and care, would probably have been much cheaper if done through a calmer mechanism rather than my showing up at an emergency room, but showing up at an ER is the only way I could ensure that I would, in fact, get treated.

Conservatives of the kind you speak of (which is now the majority of anybody having anything to do with the Republican party) do not want to save this money. The reason is because they are psychotic. I used to think they just had different values or thought in different ways, but now I see that they are actually delusional.

 

[Travis]

Why are people yelling out that an uninsured person should be left to die?

It's not even that.

I'm in the hospital now (I get out tomorrow, yay!) I was dying. As it turned out, I had a pancreatic cyst of a liter in volume. Now I'll probably live for some time.

There is zero chance that I can ever pay for it. Somebody is paying for it, and probably a lot is coming out of public funds.

Paying for this, including diagnosis, treatment, and care, would probably have been much cheaper if done through a calmer mechanism rather than my showing up at an emergency room, but showing up at an ER is the only way I could ensure that I would, in fact, get treated.

Conservatives of the kind you speak of (which is now the majority of anybody having anything to do with the Republican party) do not want to save this money. The reason is because they are psychotic. I used to think they just had different values or thought in different ways, but now I see that they are actually delusional.

Well my goodness. You get yourself well.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. Would any conservative care to explain to epepke why this sort of situation is preferable to universal coverage where medical issues can be headed off with preventive care?

 

[Chaos]

I really believe this race to the right is going to backfire. These folks will look so homophobic, so paranoid about Mexicans, so eager to kick "illegal" kids out of school and so willing to throw sick or uninsured people under the bus that huge blocs will head left.

If you lose the entire gay and gay-friendly population, all Latinos and all people with a stake in Obamacare, you've ceded a pretty good chunk of the electorate, providing these people actually vote.

The problem is, most of the people whom specific segements of Republican dogma should scare off will stick with the Republicans due to other segments, or in the case of people with a stake in Obamacare because they have been deluded (or deluded themselves) into believing that the current abominable train wreck you have is the better health care system imaginable.

 

[brodski]

I was going to add some stuff about how under-appreciated Marley is.

Jacob or Robert?

 

[H'ethetheth]

I thought this thread was going to be about Charles Dickens' masterpiece. I was going to add some stuff about how under-appreciated Marley is.

I am disappointed. It's just another boring politics thread.

The observation that the thread is in the politics section of the forum, compounded by the fact that it isn't in the 'History, Literature and the Arts' section might have given this away, and could have saved you the disappointment.

 

[commandlinegamer]

I tried. For all of half-a-minute I tried to idolize pre-visitation Scrooge.

But I can't.

I have sympathy for him though.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I always thought that movie had such a sad ending. He turns all good and everything.

 

[commandlinegamer]

I always thought that movie had such a sad ending. He turns all good and everything.

Watch the version with Rowan Atkinson: that has a happy ending.

 

[Upchurch]

So what's going in the Republican debates?

Why are people yelling out that an uninsured person should be left to die?

Why are they booing an active enlisted man over in Iraq just because he's gay?

Why, when Rick Perry says he won't deny the children of illegal immigrants education, do they boo him for it?

Why did they cheer for the prospect of an electrified acid moat on the border that may or may not contain exploding alligators?

You might be seeing a neurophysical difference between liberals (right brain oriented) and conservatives (left brain oriented). Guess where the ability to empathesize sits?

 

[Travis]

I always thought that movie had such a sad ending. He turns all good and everything.

The Conservative Review of A Christmas Carol

This mildly comedic story serves as a cautionary tale about how even the most resolute of job creating entrepreneurs might be duped by socialist propaganda. Ebeneezer Scrooge, our story's protagonist, exhibits a dramatic fall from grace after he is subject to three hallucinations brought on by LSD bearing Hippies who cleverly disguise themselves as ghosts.

The first ghost, who initiates the "visions" by slipping the drugs to Mr Scrooge, gains his trust by imitating a now dead former business partner. The next three fake ghosts try to portray "spirits" representing Christmas Past, Present and Future. Notable is the lack of any spirit representing Jesus. Yet another salvo from the anti-religion left as they wage their war on Christmas.

The spirits guide Mr Scrooge through the visions by giving him suggestions on what he should be seeing during his drug trips. Thus they trick him into visions of family and former good times, how others might be enjoying the present while huddled in tiny hovels and how he might die alone and unloved just because he was so successful at maintaining his business.

After all this he wakes up thinking that he must now fight for Communistic wealth redistribution. This is brought home when he actually offers to give undeserved presents to a family of parasitic poor people and a raise to his top employee without even considering a cost/benefit analysis. He is then congratulated for his insanity by a crippled child. An obvious stand in for the wretched argument that those that can't work need to be cared for by productive people instead of being used as firewood as any sane society would.

I rather enjoyed this production as it helps to illustrate how anyone among us might succumb to Leftist social engineering via clever tricks. Ebeneezer Scrooge was a great man; a wealth creating capitalist who never overpaid anyone regardless of their productivity. Wisely he kept the money with the best and brightest (in this case that was himself) instead of it being squandered on the undeserving. But even this great of a man can be brought down by the leech supporters via their manipulation of emotions.

 

[RedIbis]

Well my goodness. You get yourself well.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. Would any conservative care to explain to epepke why this sort of situation is preferable to universal coverage where medical issues can be headed off with preventive care?

Isn't the thinking (or lack thereof) that if we socialize health care and bring down the enormous costs, the profit motive for doctors, surgeons, pharmaceutical companies and medical tech will shrink? Therefore, you will not attract the high level doctors and innovators to the industry that allowed epepke to survive his life-threatening illness.

Simplistic and stupid, I know. I'm just trying to get into the mind of those who think the free market is the answer to everything.

 

[Foolmewunz]

I've known quite a few conservatives over my life. Outside of one of them none ever seemed heartless. Thankfully the one heartless one moved to Nevada to stockpile guns.

So what's going in the Republican debates?

Why are people yelling out that an uninsured person should be left to die?

Why are they booing an active enlisted man over in Iraq just because he's gay?

Why, when Rick Perry says he won't deny the children of illegal immigrants education, do they boo him for it?

Why did they cheer for the prospect of an electrified acid moat on the border that may or may not contain exploding alligators?

Those are all things a psychopath would do. Do the debates just attract the few psychopaths that also happen to be Republicans?

I'm generally against most of what the "New Improved Heartless and Headless GOP" stands for but,.....


Man! Exploding alligators in electrified acid moats! This has possibilities.



ETA: Serious(er). Note to GOP: When your planks all sound like Tragic Monkey wrote them after a double spicy burrito midnight snack, you've got problems.

 

[Chaos]

The Conservative Review of A Christmas Carol

This mildly comedic story serves as a cautionary tale about how even the most resolute of job creating entrepreneurs might be duped by socialist propaganda. Ebeneezer Scrooge, our story's protagonist, exhibits a dramatic fall from grace after he is subject to three hallucinations brought on by LSD bearing Hippies who cleverly disguise themselves as ghosts.

The first ghost, who initiates the "visions" by slipping the drugs to Mr Scrooge, gains his trust by imitating a now dead former business partner. The next three fake ghosts try to portray "spirits" representing Christmas Past, Present and Future. Notable is the lack of any spirit representing Jesus. Yet another salvo from the anti-religion left as they wage their war on Christmas.

The spirits guide Mr Scrooge through the visions by giving him suggestions on what he should be seeing during his drug trips. Thus they trick him into visions of family and former good times, how others might be enjoying the present while huddled in tiny hovels and how he might die alone and unloved just because he was so successful at maintaining his business.

After all this he wakes up thinking that he must now fight for Communistic wealth redistribution. This is brought home when he actually offers to give undeserved presents to a family of parasitic poor people and a raise to his top employee without even considering a cost/benefit analysis. He is then congratulated for his insanity by a crippled child. An obvious stand in for the wretched argument that those that can't work need to be cared for by productive people instead of being used as firewood as any sane society would.

I rather enjoyed this production as it helps to illustrate how anyone among us might succumb to Leftist social engineering via clever tricks. Ebeneezer Scrooge was a great man; a wealth creating capitalist who never overpaid anyone regardless of their productivity. Wisely he kept the money with the best and brightest (in this case that was himself) instead of it being squandered on the undeserving. But even this great of a man can be brought down by the leech supporters via their manipulation of emotions.

Not nearly clueless, hateful and vitriolic enough to be a credible parody.

 

[Ziggurat]

Jacob or Robert?

Jacob, of course.

He beat the system. He did the impossible. He transcended his eternal damnation. That makes him fascinating.

 

[Travis]

You can judge a production of A Christmas Carol by whether they bothered to get a good actor for the Marley role or not.

 

[ponderingturtle]

You might be seeing a neurophysical difference between liberals (right brain oriented) and conservatives (left brain oriented). Guess where the ability to empathesize sits?

Woo pop psych is not helpful here though.