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Congrats, Occupiers -- You ARE the 1%!

Yes and no. People with the money can influence other people using their money, which undoubtedly works in their favor, but the system is still based on who gets the most votes.

The corruption of the process happens long before people get to vote.



I think the point is that being angry doesn't justify violence. And aside from that, violence will only turn people away from the movement so it will backfire.

I agree.


Isn't there a conspiracy theory forum for this sort of thing?

Lazy.

All potentially effective dissident political movements are infiltrated by the State and provocateurs are a fact of life for them.

'OWS, Evictions, & Agent Provocateurs'

'Revealed: Second undercover police officer who posed as activist'
 
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Why does there seem to be a lot more people complaining about others being inconvenienced by the protestors than people complaining about actually being inconvenienced by the protestors?

-Bri
Most people who work, have businesses or business in the area, don't post here?
 
I agree Piggy. Even though I agree with their complaints, and I have some sympathy to them and the concept of public protest as a general rule, but I find myself annoyed more than anything else.

Last week they did "Occupy Harvard Yard" in Cambridge. Harvard's main campus is surrounded by a giant fence that has several entrance gates. When I went to my night class there last Wednesday, they were blocking multiple gates that were my way in. I had to go all the way around to the other side of campus and was really late for class, but it was okay, because so was everyone else for the same reason. Then, what should have been a 4 minute walk to the subway took over half an hour for me and my classmates to find a non blocked gate we could exit out of. The cops had also shut down several gates because of fears of the Occupy people invading the campus, and the ones that were open were obstructed with protestors. Finally we had to convince a cop to unlock a closed gate because we just could not find another way out.

I mean, what purpose does that serve? All they did was make sure that they made a lot of students late for class and made a lot of us late getting home.
 
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Why does there seem to be a lot more people complaining about others being inconvenienced by the protestors than people complaining about actually being inconvenienced by the protestors?

-Bri

Because there is a much larger population of people who are not personally inconvenienced.
But those who live there and are the "inconvenienced" have certainly complained and had meetings but for the most part OWS was either unwilling or maybe unable to help.
 
I love the term "Agent Provocateurs". It was sort of charming in a way to see 9/11 Truthers claiming that those among them who did a particularly bad job of arguing or did something else which resulted in any kind of bad publicity were in fact "government plants". It was less charming to see these claims spreading amongst the Occupiers, who aside from their bizarre choice of delivery I generally took to be educated and reasonable.
 
I love the term "Agent Provocateurs". It was sort of charming in a way to see 9/11 Truthers claiming that those among them who did a particularly bad job of arguing or did something else which resulted in any kind of bad publicity were in fact "government plants". It was less charming to see these claims spreading amongst the Occupiers, who aside from their bizarre choice of delivery I generally took to be educated and reasonable.

Are you so sure? The following was written by an alleged supporter.

No sooner had the panel finished opening remarks last night than a woman scampered up onto stage and yelled, "Mic check!" It was an orchestrated effort by several dozen activists to use the People's Mic to interrupt a forum at Town Hall—a forum in favor of Occupy Wall Street, featuring three wonks and three activists from Occupy Seattle.

Occupy Seattle Disrupts Pro-Occupy Wall Street Forum, Drives Away Supporters
 
I mean, what purpose does that serve? All they did was make sure that they made a lot of students late for class and made a lot of us late getting home.

Step 1: Raise Schrodinger's Cat's awareness

Step 2: ?

Step 3: Ponies for everyone!
 
And just how are these people supposed to raise themselves up and get out of their morass of negativity if they don't find a frickin job? How do they know there are no jobs when they're not looking?

I'm fairly sure that they're not on their iPhones looking at Monster.com.
Surveys show that the unemployed rate among the occupiers is about the same as in the general population (no, I'm too lazy to find the link). So who is "these people"? And on what basis are you "fairly sure" of what's on their iPhones?
 
I agree Piggy. Even though I agree with their complaints, and I have some sympathy to them and the concept of public protest as a general rule, but I find myself annoyed more than anything else.
I'm sure a lot of people in Mobile, Alabama were annoyed and inconvenienced when all those stupid marches were getting in the way of their ability to get to the Stop-N-Go for a six pack. I'm sure a lot of people in Pittsburgh were annoyed and inconvenienced by union strike actions seeking decent wages and working conditions. I'm sure many people in lots of places were annoyed and inconvenienced by those in the women's suffragette movement. I'm sure lots of people were annoyed and inconvenienced by all those damn hippies protesting the Viet Nam war.

The point is, if you're not annoying and inconveniencing people, you're not protesting.
 
I agree Piggy. Even though I agree with their complaints, and I have some sympathy to them and the concept of public protest as a general rule, but I find myself annoyed more than anything else.

Last week they did "Occupy Harvard Yard" in Cambridge. Harvard's main campus is surrounded by a giant fence that has several entrance gates. When I went to my night class there last Wednesday, they were blocking multiple gates that were my way in. I had to go all the way around to the other side of campus and was really late for class, but it was okay, because so was everyone else for the same reason. Then, what should have been a 4 minute walk to the subway took over half an hour for me and my classmates to find a non blocked gate we could exit out of. The cops had also shut down several gates because of fears of the Occupy people invading the campus, and the ones that were open were obstructed with protestors. Finally we had to convince a cop to unlock a closed gate because we just could not find another way out.

I mean, what purpose does that serve? All they did was make sure that they made a lot of students late for class and made a lot of us late getting home.


Indeed.... Occupying a locale about 30 feet from the door of your dorm is pretty silly.


(provided you're a freshman)
 
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Surveys show that the unemployed rate among the occupiers is about the same as in the general population (no, I'm too lazy to find the link). So who is "these people"? And on what basis are you "fairly sure" of what's on their iPhones?

"These people" = Occupiers

"Fairly Sure" = Educated Guess.
 
I'm sure a lot of people in Mobile, Alabama were annoyed and inconvenienced when all those stupid marches were getting in the way of their ability to get to the Stop-N-Go for a six pack. I'm sure a lot of people in Pittsburgh were annoyed and inconvenienced by union strike actions seeking decent wages and working conditions. I'm sure many people in lots of places were annoyed and inconvenienced by those in the women's suffragette movement. I'm sure lots of people were annoyed and inconvenienced by all those damn hippies protesting the Viet Nam war.

The point is, if you're not annoying and inconveniencing people, you're not protesting.

I would have no problem whatsoever with being annoyed and incovenienced if the reason for it was.....something.
 
Are you so sure? The following was written by an alleged supporter.



Occupy Seattle Disrupts Pro-Occupy Wall Street Forum, Drives Away Supporters

By a show of hands, Nick Licata—the moderator, who some activists later claimed was a proxy for the partisan political establishment—determined the activists had been outvoted. The event would proceed as a planned, right? The activists refused to lose. They demanded another vote and even insisted that, before we could vote again, they would first explain how a General Assembly worked. So for 15 minutes, the activists read the rules and we repeated them back.

"Assembly time is precious," the man yelled without a hint of irony. "Assembly time is precious!" we all yelled back, wasting precious time.

It was 8:30 p.m. at this point, one hour after the event began, and we'd only heard opening statements. The forum was supposed to conclude by 9:00 p.m. "We have only a half hour left," Licata announced. "This is very interesting."

As the clock counted down, it was apparent that Occupy Seattle had repressed whatever thoughtful ideas the panelists brought to the stage and were willing to fill the time with chatter about unenlightening process. They wanted more power; they wanted to speak. They were also being rank hypocrites. Here is a group purporting to give people a voice and cut through the bureaucratic layers of government and capitalism. Instead, they silenced speech, quashed ideas, and replaced it with their own bureaucratic process reserved for a minority that wanted power.

The entire OWS movement in microcosm.
 

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