Australian Federal Election 2010

[a_unique_person]

I think we can play by the rules, as Kmortis has asked. I think if we do, then this thread could be ok. Just a thread, imho, that is an informal, ongoing, general Australian politics thread.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Tony Abbott realises he was wrong, again.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-of-the-eurozone/story-fn59nsif-1226192349016

Um?

Where does he realise he was wrong exactly? Has he flip flopped? I don't get your point at all, please elaborate.

 

[a_unique_person]

CSIRO Modelling shows that the impact of the carbon tax on Australians will be minimal.

http://www.theage.com.au/environmen...ts-not-all-doom-and-gloom-20111112-1nd3v.html

THE cost to families of the Gillard government's carbon tax will be little more than the inflation jump from high banana prices, new modelling from the CSIRO has found.
The research, released exclusively to The Sunday Age, shows that, because the ''economic value'' of the $23 a tonne carbon price is ''very small in relation to the economy as a whole'', it will be barely registered by families.
The GST produced four times more inflation than the carbon tax would and the recent rise in oil prices had more effect. Even the mining boom, seen by most as an economic positive, was twice as inflationary as the carbon tax, the modelling found.
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''These are not minimal impacts, but given the government assistance being offered, it's certainly not a catastrophic or doom and gloom scenario,'' according to report author Steve Hatfield-Dodds, from the CSIRO.
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's pitch to the nation on climate change has been that it will cost jobs, send industries offshore and hurt families.
But the report showed the total value of carbon permits would be about $8.5 billion in 2012-13, the first year of the scheme's operation, less than 0.6 per cent of the $1.5 trillion projected value of the economy.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environmen...m-and-gloom-20111112-1nd3v.html#ixzz1dZVouK1D
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[bit_pattern]

CSIRO is a part of the commie plot for One world Government, they would say that

 

[Hallo Alfie]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-14/asylum-seeker-boat-intercepted/3664462

A boat carrying 93 asylum seekers and two crew has arrived near Christmas Island.

Five boats carrying nearly 350 people have arrived this month.


More and more coming.

Another boat another failed policy.

God help us if there is another avoidable tragedy. Why Gillard won't be flexible under her "new paradigm" and run with the coalition on this is beyond me -actually it's not beyond me at all; ego and pride are in the way. So rather than work with the coalition on a policy that is close to her own, she chooses the Green's policy which is opposite to her own.

Worst PM ever.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

http://www.theage.com.au/world/deport-order-sparks-furore-20111114-1nfmd.html#ixzz1diDjUUHA

Interesting.

A spokesman for Immigration Minister Chris Bowen said: ''Australia's agreement allows for the return of those Afghans not considered to be genuine refugees to Afghanistan.''

One wonders why he is not considered to be a genuine refugee ..... by any country, it seems:

Mr Mirzajan arrived in Australia by plane in February 2010, having fled Afghanistan in 2001. He first went to Pakistan, then Iran and Greece before seeking refugee status in Britain in 2002. He was refused asylum in 2004 and went to Ireland, where he was allowed to stay temporarily, before travelling to Australia.

Rejecting his claim, the Refugee Review Tribunal said Mr Mirzajan had initially lied about his story. He had told officials at the airport he left Afghanistan in January 2010. Mr Mirzajan says he was coached by people smugglers to change his story.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-15/pm-proposes-lifting-uranium-ban/3666362

Flip flop. She now flies in the face (agaiin) of established Labor policies setting the stage for more disunity.

Like the carbon tax we will happily sell our assets abroad (eg. coal, uranium) while banning/seriously limiting their use here. The mind seriously boggles.

There is an extraordinary disconnect here between our external actions and internal applications.

 

[amb]

A latecomer to this thread. My two cents worth is that this Labor government we have now is by far the worst this country has ever had. Bob Brown is the real PM and Julia is his bitch. [have posted this elsewhere] The carbon tax that was brought in by chesire smiling Labor and Green politicians has to be the undoing of this rabble if nothing else. I think up to 70% of the general population are against it. As for the so-called refugees, in reality are illegal economic migrants. While Australian and American blood is spilled in that gawd forsaken Afghanistan, their finest men are hopping on boats seeking greener pastures and this gutless bitch and her cohorts are looking on doing nothing, while this is changing the whole fabric of our society. Getting back to this shamozzle of a carbon tax. We are contributing around less than 0.5% of world pollution, while European nations, let alone countries like China, who produce most of the pollution, have at most a $ 8 per ton, while the bitch/greens has saddled Australia with $23 per ton. And the results will be? F/All, that's what. If the whole planet stopped polluting immediately, it won't change a thing. The planet is going through a cycle that's been going on for millions of years and will continue to do so for another million years. That's my two cents worth.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

The tax will individually and ultimately cost us all a lot more that $0.02cents each. And you are right, the net result will be effectively zero in terms of saving the climate.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...ion-will-be-hard/story-e6frf7jx-1226197177094

US President Barack Obama says Australia's action on climate change has been bold, but concedes that global action will be tough given the prevailing economic difficulties.

"Tough" being code for "the rest of the world is not that stupid in this economic climate".

 

[amb]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/business...business-concern/story-e6frg2qu-1226196489312

Another chapter to our economy. Nero fiddled while Rome burns as they say.

 

[Wildy]

As for the so-called refugees, in reality are illegal economic migrants.

Then you can provide evidence for this then can't you?

While Australian and American blood is spilled in that gawd forsaken Afghanistan, their finest men are hopping on boats seeking greener pastures and this gutless bitch and her cohorts are looking on doing nothing, while this is changing the whole fabric of our society.

Oh noes, foreigners are coming and ruining this great nation, it's not like this charge has been levelled at other groups now have they?

Getting back to this shamozzle of a carbon tax. We are contributing around less than 0.5% of world pollution, while European nations, let alone countries like China, who produce most of the pollution, have at most a $ 8 per ton, while the bitch/greens has saddled Australia with $23 per ton.

Be glad that you're not in Sweden then, which has a carbon tax of SEK 930/ton which at the current exchange rate is about A$135/ton.

 

[amb]

For gawds sake. Get hold of some 1950's footage of European refugees fleeing from the devastation of the Second World War. They were true refugees, not these picture of health looking illegal tourists who pay up to $10.000 to get a seat on a boat.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Be glad that you're not in Sweden then, which has a carbon tax of SEK 930/ton which at the current exchange rate is about A$135/ton.

Except that it is not a broad based consumption type tax; no tax is applied to fuels used for electricity generation and much of their electricity comes from hydro schemes and nuclear.

But most importantly, how much are/have their efforts reduced the impact of climate change?

 

[amb]

I thought this was a democratic country. Up to 65-70% of the Australian people don't want a bar of any carbon tax. That should be end of story.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

For gawds sake. Get hold of some 1950's footage of European refugees fleeing from the devastation of the Second World War. They were true refugees, not these picture of health looking illegal tourists who pay up to $10.000 to get a seat on a boat.

I'm exactly with you there; there are refugees who are literally starving while they wait for a chance at having a safe life. I have used the argument of a queue and those with the money and geography taking advantage of our slack laws. Sometimes this ends in tragedy, yet the morons Greens somehow think this is a more humane policy.

The world is going mad you know.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

I thought this was a democratic country. Up to 65-70% of the Australian people don't want a bar of any carbon tax. That should be end of story.

Not only that; roughly 90% of the population voted for political parties that did not have a carbon dioxide tax in their policy platform; yet we have one.

The single greatest act of bastardisation on the voting public in our history.

Worst PM ever.

 

[amb]

I live for the day when this rabble get thrown out on their asses.

 

[Wildy]

For gawds sake. Get hold of some 1950's footage of European refugees fleeing from the devastation of the Second World War. They were true refugees, not these picture of health looking illegal tourists who pay up to $10.000 to get a seat on a boat.

Oh so they don't count as asylum seekers because they don't fit your stereotype of what a refugee is? Do you feel the same about those who arrive by plane?

Except that it is not a broad based consumption type tax; no tax is applied to fuels used for electricity generation and much of their electricity comes from hydro schemes and nuclear.

Nearly all of their electricity comes from hydro and nuclear, it's page 75 of the report I linked to.

But most importantly, how much are/have their efforts reduced the impact of climate change?

9% drop in carbon emissions between 1990 and 2006 according to the Americans, and a drop of more than 40% since the mid 1970's according to the Swedes. I get the strange feeling that we've had this discussion before, which probably means that we have.

I'm exactly with you there; there are refugees who are literally starving while they wait for a chance at having a safe life.

And as I pointed out we willingly offer them a place, but they have no right to one. Which is the same for every country that offers resettlement.

I have used the argument of a queue and those with the money and geography taking advantage of our slack laws.

And instead of actually providing evidence that supported your claims you had a hissy fit that ended up being sent to AAH.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Nearly all of their electricity comes from hydro and nuclear, it's page 75 of the report I linked to.

Thanks for the clarification and the strengthening of my point.

We are not allowed to have hydro or nuclear, so instead we will simply sabotage our entire economy. Smart huh?

And as I pointed out we willingly offer them a place, but they have no right to one. Which is the same for every country that offers resettlement.

I am not sure why you think they have "no right to one", nor why (it seems) that those that come by boat because they have money and geography have a greater right.

And until you come up with a better word for queue, I think we can safely use it, don't you?