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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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bynmdsue said:
Ha! is there a tape of that?

People getting shot accidentally is usually pretty funny, except when its a SS agent accidentally firing his AR-15 into the back of JFK's head. A CT too crazy for Robert to buy into?
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Don't tempt fate. We will get the story about how the forensic evidence points to RFK being shot by his security detail...
 
bynmdsue said:
But they can be mistaken. So we have to weigh their testimony against the physical evidence and that's where it comes up wanting.

Oh, that's right. All the physical evidence is faked.
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NO. The rational approach is to weigh the evidence of the many who had immediate, first hand observations against the few who had later observations under the restriction of only reporting that which would be consistent with the official script; the actual physical evidence now long since buried.
 
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I Ratant said:
Disirregardless of the licensed owner of the pistol, it was in the possession of LHOLN when arrested.
His attempt to use it is not a plus in his favor.
Funny story about that arrest... Some years later, the officer involved was demonstrating to a media person how he'd disabled the firing by grabbing the cylinder of the revolver.... and -shot- the media person by mistake! :)
Kids and guns, ya know...
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The unsupported claim on this board, is that it was Oswald's pistol that was used to kill Tippit. When questioned as to how that was proven, nobody on this board seemed to know.
 
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Robert Prey said:
NO. The rational approach is to weigh the evidence of the many who had immediate, first hand observations against the few who had later observations under the restriction of only reporting that which would be consistent with the official script; the actual physical evidence now long since buried.
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But as you have admitted, the WC does NOT only report what matches a script.

Even so, the rational approach is to compare the subjective observations to measurable data and physical evidence. You do NOT manage to do this. You dismiss the physical evidence, and the testable evidence, the photographic record, Z film, autopsy, etc, that does not match your own "script" out of hand as faked, unreliable, or with some other handwave.
 
Robert Prey said:
The unsupported claim on this board, is that it was Oswald's pistol that was used to kill Tippit. When questioned as to how that was proven, nobody on this board seemed to know.
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What??? Apart from it being the gun found IN HIS HAND? The same gun he had photographs taken of him holding? The prints on the gun? The forensic evidence obtained by matching the gun to the bullet wounds on Tippits body?

Which do you have an issue with?
 
Tomtomkent said:
What??? Apart from it being the gun found IN HIS HAND? The same gun he had photographs taken of him holding? The prints on the gun? The forensic evidence obtained by matching the gun to the bullet wounds on Tippits body?

Which do you have an issue with?
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Source????
 
Robert Prey said:
NO. The rational approach is to weigh the evidence of the many who had immediate, first hand observations against the few who had later observations under the restriction of only reporting that which would be consistent with the official script; the actual physical evidence now long since buried.
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Dr. McClelland had "immediate, first hand observation(s)" and he was mistaken, that means the others may also be mistaken, In fact he even says Crenshaw makes stuff up.(Bugliosi p407)
 
Tomtomkent said:
But as you have admitted, the WC does NOT only report what matches a script.

Even so, the rational approach is to compare the subjective observations to measurable data and physical evidence. You do NOT manage to do this. You dismiss the physical evidence, and the testable evidence, the photographic record, Z film, autopsy, etc, that does not match your own "script" out of hand as faked, unreliable, or with some other handwave.
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I trust un-tainted first hand observations. There is no accessible trustworthy photographic record of the autopsy, since the photographers say the ones in evidence, as you very well know, are not the ones that they say they took. 72 percent of the Am People believe in conspiracy, based in part on what they see on the Z film. Only those hopelessly wedded to the official accounts presented by the Big Brother authorities and their Amen Chorus in the mainstream news media believe in the Lone Nutter fable. The Z film is a blur of blood and tissue spray. It is a rorschach answer for the dedicated Lone Nutter advocate to interpret as creatively as they choose..
 
bynmdsue said:
Dr. McClelland had "immediate, first hand observation(s)" and he was mistaken, that means the others may also be mistaken, In fact he even says Crenshaw makes stuff up.(Bugliosi p407)
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That is false. Dr. M. only made a mis-statment regarding left as versus right based on what some other doctor said where he though he saw some blood.. He has never wavered from his essential view that of a large blowout in the back of the head and a shot from the Grassy Knoll. And you and the Bug man know it. Time for a little honesty. It is, after all, a sin to tell a lie.
 
Robert Prey said:
That is false. Dr. M. only made a mis-statment regarding left as versus right based on what some other doctor said where he though he saw some blood.. He has never wavered from his essential view that of a large blowout in the back of the head and a shot from the Grassy Knoll. And you and the Bug man know it. Time for a little honesty. It is, after all, a sin to tell a lie.
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Erm... Is it false in the sense that you dont believe that is what is said on that page of the book? Or are you suggesting the entire statemnt is wrong?

In which case I quote you again; "Source???"

Oh and a mistatement on left vs right? That would be "wrong" then.

Why does the zupruder film show the blow out being on the front of the head?

Where is the uncropped version of the photograph you claim is evidence?
 
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The kid will never leave Square 1.
Which is:
"All the conspiracy novels say the WCR is wrong.
I believe that.
That settles it."
 
I Ratant said:
The kid will never leave Square 1.
Which is:
"All the conspiracy novels say the WCR is wrong.
I believe that.
That settles it."
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Not having it to hand I can't get a page number. But I'm pretty sure the shooting of Tippit, witnessed first hand (which should count as best evidence to RP) as well as the matching of the pistol to his hand was pretty fairly well covered in the WC, with ballistics and forensics. Not even the most out there conspiracy book has ever tried to argue with the arrest report stating LHO had the gun in his hand.

Off the top of my head it was only after he had been forced to drop the gun that he started screaming he was not resisting arrest.

I think RP was probably hoping we can't quote the actual arrest report so he can say we have no evidence. I doubt he will do anything sensible like try to disprove it with counter evidence?
 
Tomtomkent said:
Not having it to hand I can't get a page number. But I'm pretty sure the shooting of Tippit, witnessed first hand (which should count as best evidence to RP) as well as the matching of the pistol to his hand was pretty fairly well covered in the WC, with ballistics and forensics. Not even the most out there conspiracy book has ever tried to argue with the arrest report stating LHO had the gun in his hand.

Off the top of my head it was only after he had been forced to drop the gun that he started screaming he was not resisting arrest.

I think RP was probably hoping we can't quote the actual arrest report so he can say we have no evidence. I doubt he will do anything sensible like try to disprove it with counter evidence?
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Such a shame that these documents don't exist. *snicker*
 
vtbub said:
Such a shame that these documents don't exist. *snicker*
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Yeah, the snicker was not warranted:
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/html/HSCA_Vol7_0193b.htm

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0095a.htm

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0071b.htm

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0296a.htm

Like I said pretty comprehensively covered in the report, and if I have time I will try to source the forensics as well...
 
vtbub said:
Oh, wait...they do! But I need to make one more post!
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Oh, and hey, just so you know, you can always go back and edit a post for a correction if you want. Just put "oops, forget this link" or what ever in the reason for editing. Nobody will hold it against you or anything, and is great for adding extra resources like the ones you found.

Nothing wrong with additional posts of course, but thought you might not have noticed how some of the other guys have been doing that.
 
Also Oswald never denied having a pistol.
On the way out of the theater he protested " I don't know why you are treating me like this. The only thing I have done is carry a pistol into a movie."
and later at the police station "I carried a pistol with me to the movie because I felt like it, for no other reason."
As well as "You know how boys do when they have a gun, they carry it."

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae Brussell Articles/Last Words of Lee Oswald.html

But that's right, the DPD is in on it too.
 
bynmdsue said:
Also Oswald never denied having a pistol.
On the way out of the theater he protested " I don't know why you are treating me like this. The only thing I have done is carry a pistol into a movie."
and later at the police station "I carried a pistol with me to the movie because I felt like it, for no other reason."
As well as "You know how boys do when they have a gun, they carry it."

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae Brussell Articles/Last Words of Lee Oswald.html

But that's right, the DPD is in on it too.
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More than that, the pistol was at the very least the same calibre as the holes left in tippet, and although I haven't found it yet, I am fairly sure the matchings were pretty conclusive... I will endeavour to dig further.
 
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