Occupy Wall Street better defend its identity

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We didn't have this issue in Chicago, because say what you want about Emmanuel, he didn't allow them to pitch tents in the park.
 
WildCat said:
We didn't have this issue in Chicago, because say what you want about Emmanuel, he didn't allow them to pitch tents in the park.
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Yes, kudos to a few of the city leaders that had the balls to, you know, actually enforce the health and safety codes on the books.
 
Neally said:
1. Looks like a good place to look for rapists, parole violators, sexual predators, drug dealers, and other associated drongos is in the OWS camps.
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Prowling sports bars would be more productive.

2. The police aren't denying people the right to speak freely.
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Freedom to peacefully assemble.
 
Alt+F4 said:
At OWS camps women, gays and transfolks must be segregated from the general public....for their own protection.
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bikerdruid said:
really?? this is a general trend at the OWS camps?
i call B.S.
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WildCat said:
Do you not get Google News on your internet?
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Neally said:
Yes, really, at least in the case of women at Zuccotti Park. There was talk of segregating others, but I don't know if that was implemented.
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so...we start out with the first statement, and it filters down to, "well..uh...they talked about segregating women in new york."
 
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WildCat said:
Not really, but many here were claiming that the tea party rallies were full of violent troublemakers.
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We have video of teatards looking for fights at Democratic town hall meetings during the health care debates. In St Louis, they even beat the crap out of a pastor and then had the pastor arrested for supposedly smacking one of their lunatics. They can getr away with their crap because the Koch roaches can provide better logistical support.
 
leftysergeant said:
Freedom to peacefully assemble.
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There's no right to assemble wwherever you want whenever you want. Reasonable time and place restrictions are allowed, and it's not unreasonable to disallow camping overnight in public parks.
 
leftysergeant said:
Freedom to peacefully assemble.
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I guess I and my friends can just pitch a tent in the White House garden, the lobby of congress, or on government property anywhere else then. It's our right to peaceably assemble.

In the real world, all rights have limitations, which is why the permit process for parades/demonstrations is constitutional. Which is why you can just pitch a tent with some friends anywhere you want, call it an "assembly" and claim you are constitutional protected to do so.
 
leftysergeant said:
We have video of teatards looking for fights at Democratic town hall meetings during the health care debates. In St Louis, they even beat the crap out of a pastor and then had the pastor arrested for supposedly smacking one of their lunatics. They can getr away with their crap because the Koch roaches can provide better logistical support.
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citation needed
 
Ziggurat said:
On some, but definitely not all, issues.



To a significant degree, yes. But it wouldn't even matter in the context of this thread. Agree with them or not, the Tea Party has unquestionably acted more honorably, more lawfully, and more effectively than the OWS movement.
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So does this mean you disagree with government-run aid services for the poor? If so, what do you propose should be done to give them the help they need? Do you think most poor in America are poor because they are lazy? If so, what's the evidence? Also, do you disagree with increased taxes for the wealthy? The progressive tax idea in general?

(And if this isn't on-topic for this thread, could you post a response in another and link to it here or send me a private mail?)
 
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Neally said:
I guess I and my friends can just pitch a tent in the White House garden, the lobby of congress, or on government property anywhere else then. It's our right to peaceably assemble.
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why not? you own them, don't you?
a few years ago, at a protest at the legislature building in edmonton, i was told, by a security guard that i had to get of the steps to the building.
i told him, "b.s., i'm one of the owners."
 
bikerdruid said:
women, queers and transfolk were no kept out of common areas.
this is not segregation.
you folks really like to twist words, eh?
guys are not welcome in women's washrooms either. is that segregation too?
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When those who are not women, queers or transfolk are kept out of certain areas of a public park, yeah, that's segregation. If I were a man, I would not be allowed in those areas for no other reason except for the fact that I am a man. That's segregation. And yes, separate bathrooms are segregation but I don't hear a lot of people complaing about it.

And what "you folks" do you think I am? I'm a gay woman, a New Yorker and wouldn't spend 5 minutes in Zuccotti Park at night.
 
Alt+F4 said:
It was also implemented in Oakland. Scroll down and you'll see "women, queer & trans only" and the "people of color tent".

http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/10/24/is-occupy-oakland-as-bad-as-they-say/?singlepage=true
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Well, people are sleeping there, so that's understandable. As for the "people of color tent", there was nothing supplied in that article to say people were being split up by race, so again, I don't see the problem.

There is a fairly strong attempt in this thread to belittle the legitimate political grievances of the OWS protestors by pointing at examples of crime and weirdness at the camps, and it's hard to read it as anything other than an ad-hominem fallacy.
 
bikerdruid said:
why not? you own them, don't you?
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Because rational people understand that with rights come responsibilities and an unlimited right to do something can lead to serious abuses. Thus we have laws against libel and slander. Thus we have laws against yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater. Pretty basic stuff. Odd that you would need to have it spelled out, then again the anarchist mindset doesn't work the same as rational minds.

stokes234 said:
Well, people are sleeping there, so that's understandable. As for the "people of color tent", there was nothing supplied in that article to say people were being split up by race, so again, I don't see the problem.
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No one said it was a problem. They want to segregate themselves, let 'em.
 
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