Occupy Wall Street better defend its identity

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portlandatheist said:
I'm very much opposed to prohibition of drugs of any kind but it is a huge mistake to think that to criticize drug use is pro prohibition as insinuated by your post. For example, we can both criticize and ridicule speech that we feel worthy of such, but that has no bearing whatsoever on our beliefs of free speech. This is an important distinction.
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For the poster who flung the drug smear, such distinctions are irrelevant. I notice that you have yet to explain your earlier need to lie about the contents of a comments thread you yourself appeared to be using somewhat smearingly.

TruthersLie said:
How many rapes occurred at any tea party protests?
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How many "tea party" protests were 24 hour encampments open to anybody in the middle of cities?
 
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JihadJane said:
How many "tea party" protests were 24 hour encampments open to anybody in the middle of cities?
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None. The tea parties weren't stupid (or naive) enough to believe in all the goodness of humanity... they weren't stupid (or naive) enough to think that having a $5000 Mac computer would just sit out and remain where it was. They weren't stupid (or naive) enough to have illegal protests w/out permits. They weren't stupid (or naive) enough to think that a camp out would change anything. They weren't stupid (or naive) enough to believe that w/out leaders or w/out concrete demands as a group anything would be done. They weren't stupid (or naive) enough to believe that free drugs, free food and jazz fingers would change anything. They weren't stupid (or naive) enough to not turn in troublemakers and agitators to the police.

They were smart enough to have a concrete set of demands. They were smart enough to have proper permits for their protests. They were smart enough to make sure that "astroturf" and "fake" individuals were spotlighted and then ignored.

So back to my original question. How many women (or men for that matter) were raped at tea party events?
 
Does anyone recall seeing or hearing a report of rape at any tea party event? I don't recall seeing or hearing of any.
 
WildCat said:
And you'd think the teal party rallies would have topped that, given how old many of them are.
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That's because the old farts in the TEA party movement don't advocated methods in which tens of thousands have already died. From OWS's main page:

We are using the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic to achieve our ends
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Their link takes you to the Arab Spring wiki page, scroll down a bit and you can see that the estimated death toll is at 30,430–37,140+ (ongoing)

So much for the lie that they want non-violent revolution.

http://occupywallst.org/
 
Brainster said:
Looks like the Portland Obamaville did not get raided last night.
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OregonLive reported about the price tag for overtime paid to public employees monitoring the situation:

Most of the officers out here tonight are working on overtime. King called it a "dramatic expenditure" that's already exceeded about $320,000 over the last five weeks.
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Maybe the protesters could use their donation bag to pay for this. Instead of fines, perhaps the City could sue the "clergy" who appear to be inciting these activities. That price tag doesn't include the inevitable costs of cleaning up the sites after the occupiers leave.
 
leftysergeant said:
Maybe the cops should be looking for rapists rather than denying people their First Ammendment rights.
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1. Looks like a good place to look for rapists, parole violators, sexual predators, drug dealers, and other associated drongos is in the OWS camps.
2. The police aren't denying people the right to speak freely.
 
WildCat said:
And you'd think the tea party rallies would have topped that, given how old many of them are.
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Is a tea party rally even a fair comparison? I think a better comparison would be something like a college football game where there are loads of young people in attendance--many thousands, actually. A lot of them are allegedly intoxicated too and yet it's uncommon to hear of rampant violence or deaths.

Maybe the difference is that at a college football game there is usually a message uniting the assembled (Go Sooners!) instead of random and confused statements.

Any word on which Occupy JihadJane is reporting from? Occupy The Couch perhaps?
 
Video of the cops getting pushed back at Portland:



At this point, I think it's time to try the Escape from New York scenario; barricade the protestors inside the square and don't let anybody in.
 
Brainster said:
Video of the cops getting pushed back at Portland:



At this point, I think it's time to try the Escape from New York scenario; barricade the protestors inside the square and don't let anybody in.
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Looks like the police strategy was to show a presence at the deadline but not do much, knowing that the protesters and supporters would be in high numbers, then wait until the morning when everyone has gone home celebrating their "victory". Pretty good strategy.

Lownsdale Square is largely deserted. People are taking down tents and folding tarps. There are still mounds of refuse: pillows, sleeping bags, garbing bags, shopping carts, clothing, detritus of all kinds.

Police are taking down tents people are in at Southwest Madison and Third Avenue. A woman is still inside tent.

10:05 a.m.: Madison Dines, 25, said he was surprised to see police officers taking the camp down. The movement dwindled this morning and no longer had enough people to resist.

"We don't have enough physical bodies to stop the police from what they are doing," he said. "We all declared victory and went home, but the reality is we needed to be here."
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- http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/11/police_tighten_security_on_occ.html
 
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