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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Robert Prey said:
Once again, you have stated an unproven conclusion in your premise. If you say the handgun he bought was used to murder Tippit, then what is your evidence????
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Read the WC Report. The null hypothesis is that Oswald bought the gun, used it to kill Tippitt and was caught with it in the theater because all of the evidence proves that. If you have some other hypothesis, you'll need to provide your single best piece of evidence. What do you have?

Robert Prey said:
Robo Timbo wrote:

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Oswald had "ties" to FBI,, CIA, Naval Intell, Army intell, Jack Ruby, Mafia,
anti-Castro Cubans and a host of others.
How do you know that? Your single best piece of evidence for it. LOL.

Comment: Happy to. But name just one.
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Yes, that's what is required of you. One piece of evidence for any of those. Afraid of shooting yourself in the foot again? LOL.

Robert Prey said:
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"Lunatic with a gun"??? What makes you think LHO was a lunatic? Do you know what a "patsy" is?
We refer to Oswald as a lunatic because he assassinated Kennedy. I'm guessing a "patsy" is a CT Loon who has been fed a steady diet of nonsense until reality no longer exists for him."


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Tired of having to correct your logic, but your conclusion is again contained in your premise. You have not proved that LHO killed Kennedy.
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Well, no. :) It has already been proved that LHO killed Kennedy. Your single best piece of evidence that he didn't? So far, all you've had has confirmed what is already known, Oswald killed Kennedy.

Are you ever going to answer me about why the Zapruder film shows the right front of Kennedy's head blowing out? You posted some great evidence for that being an exit wound.
 
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Robert Prey said:
The best debunking of Poser's 'Case Closed" is the Bug Man's "Reclaiming History."
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Oh, there's a Poser here, but it isn't Posner. BTW, don't deliberately alter people's names in order to mock them. It's...sophomoric.

Robert Prey said:
I have proven beyond any reasonable doubt, in several ways, nine ways to Sunday, that it was a conspiracy.
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Link? All I see you doing in this thread is simply denying the lone gunman theory. It isn't enough to randomly cast doubt on the theory, you have to come up with a counter theory and provide evidence for said theory.

Are you certain your lack of knowledge/training/experience in the relevant disciplines pertaining to the JFK assassination investigation isn't giving you a "Dunning-Kruger"-style false sense of certainty?
 
For Anyone Who Is Not Robert

Does Robert have some kind of condition that causes his mind to blank out while he is reading? He keeps asking the same questions over and over even after the questions have been answered (while, it must be noted, refusing to answer questions repeatedly put to him).

I found this page, The rational thinker versus the paranoid, online and it might have been written with Robert as a test case... or with Robert's picture in place of the text. (Not that I think Robert is necessarily paranoid.)

Let's look at a few examples, shall we?

The rational thinker checks the evidence carefully and doesn't rely on uncertain evidence while the paranoid grabs onto a few pieces of evidence and defends them inflexibly. Check. See Robert's harping on those "unimpeachable" Parkland Hospital witnesses.

The rational thinker doesn't care which evidence he must let go while the paranoid seemingly irrationally seizes onto something and won’t let go. Check. Again the Parkland witnesses, although I'd drop the "seemingly" in Robert's case. ;)

(In light of the above example, after re-checking the Bug Man's citations, I'll admit there was no roll call of employees at TSBD after the assassination. Vince "Buggy" Bugliosi was citing an unreliable source.)

The rational thinker seeks a realistic answer in simple and familiar processes while the paranoid invokes complex, unrealistic scenarios controlled by powerful forces behind the scenes. Check. Too many examples from Robert to cite just one.

I could go on but you get the point and you can look at the page yourselves and I'll give you a bright, shiny, mint-condition Kennedy half-dollar if you can find an example on that page of the rational thinker vs. the paranoid that can't be illustrated by a post Robert has made on this thread.
 
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Robert Prey said:
Typical and Predictable. No single piece of evidence, indeed. The Magic Bullet, whether real or imagined did not Kill JFK. The fatal shot or shots to the head did -- the single piece of evidence you choose to avoid.
"Lunatic with a gun"??? What makes you think LHO was a lunatic? Do you know what a "patsy" is?
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Things I've learned from this post:

1) Robert thinks that one piece of evidence is more important than all of the evidence combined.

2) Robert doesn't carefully read the posts he's responding to (I did not "choose to avoid" the fatal shot to the head, I mentioned it in my post).

3) Robert hasn't done any research on the type of person Oswald was.


Other things I've learned from this and other posts:

1) Robert is a master hand waver.

2) Robert is a hypocrite. Accusing others of ad hominem attacks that usually aren't ad hominem attacks and then using the same tactic himself.

3) Robert seems to project a lot. Calling others sophomoric while he himself is acting sophomoric is interesting. Asking for a single best piece of evidence is sophomoric. Saying you're evidence is "coming, stay tuned" is sophomoric.

4) Robert thinks that one inconsistency in a theory means that the entire theory is bogus. (Do I need to mention that this is a very sophomoric thing to do?)
 
Whatever happened to Oswald's curtain rods? Lemme guess,"they" have them, don't "they"?
 
Robert Prey said:
I will do some of that shortly in my Final Nail in the Lone Nutter Coffin post. But suffice to say, it was a hit by elements of CIA and Mafia. It was a hit originally planned for Chicago, and then for Tampa with a Patsy set up who was groomed to appear to be pro-communist and pro Cuba just like Oswald and I will name the Patsy. But the Chicago hit was canceled when JFK canceled his trip. And the Tampa hit was canceled when an undercover cop heard of the plot. I will also name who some claim were the shooters, including the real shooter in the 6th Floor window. My evidence for all this, however, is not as solid as my evidence for a 2nd shooter, and thus a conspiracy which is as solid as any evidence can be and I believe incontrovertible.
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I like it but you're going to have to include a romantic subplot of some kind or else the studio will never get on board.
 
Robert Prey said:
More confused nonsense. I've never said LHO shot anyone.
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THEN HOW CAN TWO PEOPLE "CONSPIRE" WITH HIM TO COMMIT A CRIME HE WAS NOT INTENDING TO COMMIT NOR DID COMMIT?

Seriously, the only evidence of a conspiracy, by the definition RP posted himself was if the two guys talking to Odio were complicate with LHO being willing and ready to shoot JFK. If he DIDNT SHOOT ANYBODY how could they conspire for a crime HE DIDNT COMMIT?

Please Rob, either admit your claim to evidence of a conspiracy is wrong, or your description of the conspiracy is wrong. You have two conflicting ideas, they don't match. Which is it?

My god, trying to get him to even see what I am talking about is like banging my head on a brick wall. It isn't just me is it? Other people can see that you claim your evidence of conspiracy is two people complicate WITH LHO in a crime, then claim it was nothing to do with LHO? Im pretty sure everybody else noticed that meant they couldnt have conspired with him... which means no evidence? Right? Please? Anybody?
 
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Walter Ego said:
Does Robert have some kind of condition that causes his mind to blank out while he is reading?
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5. Demands quick, even immediate explanations.

Robert's insistence we provide only one single piece of evidence.​

9. Will not face evidence that destroys his theory.

Robert's refusal to even acknowledge the questions that do so.​

11. Often seizes single pieces of evidence and blows them out of proportion.

Robert's "irrefutable" anecdotes and drawing.​

12. Sticks to preconceived notion regardless of new evidence.

Especially when it's his own evidence that shoots him in the foot! LOL.​

13. Preconceived, rigid, victimlike, cowardly.

Says it all really.​
 
Robert Prey said:
Robo Timbo wrote:

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Oswald had "ties" to FBI,, CIA, Naval Intell, Army intell, Jack Ruby, Mafia,
anti-Castro Cubans and a host of others.
How do you know that? Your single best piece of evidence for it. LOL.

Comment: Happy to. But name just one.
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No you pick. Supply evidence for any. Go on.
 
Robert Prey said:
Tired of having to correct your logic, but your conclusion is again contained in your premise. You have not proved that LHO killed Kennedy.
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Erm, your posts have not "corrected" logic. Or contained much that could be mistaken for it.

You have disproven your own evidence for a conspiracy.

You have disproven your own ability to recognise "evidence" by thinking a drawing unimpeachable.

You have disproven your own commentary on the Z film.

You have yet to explain why the Z film shows a large mass ejected from the front of the head and no rear exit wound.

You have yet to explain how the Autopsy was "faked" or the autopsy photogrpahs, or supply any actual evidence it was.

How about you try correcting your own logic first?
 
kookbreaker said:
"Hmmm, I am about to be framed for killing the President, I think I'll go home and get my handgun. Yeah, that's a good move."
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Yes. But just because we have pictures of him holding the damn guns, that RP can't prove are fakes, evidence he purchased them, under a false ID, and yes, his prints on both rifle and pistol, we are supposed to assume "plant" with NO supporting evidence.

What is the best evidence LHO didn't own the guns? Is the Null hypothosis an alien concept here? Hmmm.

I bet it was somebody he didn't. And not actual evidence. I bet it is....
 
Walter Ego said:
Wow, a citation. And from the mendacious Mark Lane no less.

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I'd been missing quotes from Lane, in all the quotes RP has been littering the countryside with...
I use Lane's zig-zag bullet path as a bellwether as to the truth in any of the conspiracy novels. If it's presented as fact, one need read no more in -that- book, as the rest will be fiction also.
As for the "roll call"...
WCR, page 156, second paragraph has DPD questioning ALL the employees of the TSBD, and Truly noted that Oswald was not present.
And CE-1408, center column...
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http://history-matters.com/archive/contents/wc/contents_wr.htm
 
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Aren't Oswald's prints on the curtain rod, cough, bag as well?

Exactly what involvement did Oswald have, Mr. Prey?
 
Sadly, this conspiracy theory is still the most believed despite the mountains of evidence that points to Oswald. The Single Bullet Theory was never all that well explained until Dale Myers correctly placed Governor Connally correctly in the limo. Once we see how the two men lined up, we go from is that how they were wounded to of course that is how that happened.

Oswald never got his trial. If he did then this nonsense would have gone away.
 
vtbub said:
Sadly, this conspiracy theory is still the most believed despite the mountains of evidence that points to Oswald. The Single Bullet Theory was never all that well explained until Dale Myers correctly placed Governor Connally correctly in the limo. Once we see how the two men lined up, we go from is that how they were wounded to of course that is how that happened.

Oswald never got his trial. If he did then this nonsense would have gone away.
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There'd still be more than a few cranks - look at the Mumia case for example, but yeah it wouldn't be as big.
 
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