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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Robert Prey said:
It doesn't.It confirms it. But your reasoning continues to be fallacious as you continue to include the very thing you have yet to prove in your question.
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No, it contradicts it. You continue to claim without evidence that a shot came from the front. The Zapruder film clearly shows a shot from the rear. The youtube video and the website about entry/exit wounds that you posted confirm it. You shot yourself in the foot with those along with everything else you've failed miserably doing here.

Even the other JFK CT loons are distancing themselves from you. You are great at providing comedy relief but that's about all it's been.

Take your time with the Running Away Tail Between Your Legs post. You have too much Stundie material left in you.
 
RoboTimbo said:
No, it contradicts it. You continue to claim without evidence that a shot came from the front. The Zapruder film clearly shows a shot from the rear. The youtube video and the website about entry/exit wounds that you posted confirm it. You shot yourself in the foot with those along with everything else you've failed miserably doing here.

Even the other JFK CT loons are distancing themselves from you. You are great at providing comedy relief but that's about all it's been.

Take your time with the Running Away Tail Between Your Legs post. You have too much Stundie material left in you.
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The only loons on this board are the Lone Nutters who claim to actually believe their own lies despite the clear, incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.
 
Robert Prey said:
The only loons on this board are the Lone Nutters who claim to actually believe their own lies despite the clear, incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.
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Clear and incontrovertible? Well as personal testemony is fallible and can be wrong, what clear and incontrovertible evidence does that leave you with? Not somebody saying "I saw X", or "I didn't do Y", but material evidence beyond argument?
 
Robert Prey said:
The only loons on this board are the Lone Nutters who claim to actually believe their own lies eyes despite the clear, incontrovertible loony evidence to the contrary.
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ftfy

Post another video or website. Please? It saves us so much time in debunking the CT delusions. LOL.

So why does the Zapruder film show the right front of Kennedy's head blowing out from a shot from the rear, just like you showed us in your high speed video and in the entry/exit wound website.
 
Robert Prey said:
Any photos you see that resemble JFK are not autopsy photos.
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So the key conceit for you to recognise the genuine photos if they were waved under your nose would be that they did NOT look like JFK? How does that make any sense?
 
Robert Prey said:
The only loons on this board are the Lone Nutters who claim to actually believe their own lies despite the clear, incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.
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Nope. The only loon on this thread is the person who claims his witnesses trump the clear video we have of an event.
 
Tomtomkent said:
So the key conceit for you to recognise the genuine photos if they were waved under your nose would be that they did NOT look like JFK? How does that make any sense?
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Why does something have to make sense? In conspiracy koo-koo land stuff doesn't have to make sense.
 
And this is not the first time the "Just get on with it!" chorus has echoed through the conversation. Last time we were completely underwhelmed by two words. Are we expecting any more this time? How about a coherent narrative where the "evidence" is put into a single theory?
 
Tomtomkent said:
And this is not the first time the "Just get on with it!" chorus has echoed through the conversation. Last time we were completely underwhelmed by two words. Are we expecting any more this time? How about a coherent narrative where the "evidence" is put into a single theory?
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(my bold)
That's kind of what I was attempting with my Oswald analysis. Granted it was total speculation, but I think it was plausible. I didn't really expect anything from any conspiracy peddler (ever), but hey, people often surprise me.
 
Tomtomkent said:
And this is not the first time the "Just get on with it!" chorus has echoed through the conversation. Last time we were completely underwhelmed by two words. Are we expecting any more this time? How about a coherent narrative where the "evidence" is put into a single theory?
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Laying all his cards on the table would end our attention towards him - something he obviously craves. So, like all conspiratrolls, he waits and baits.
 
I like seeing him drag it out. Look at all the bullet holes he put in his foot while we were baiting him.

Robert, please post another video or website. It saves us so much trouble. LOL!
 
I'm Moist In Anticipation!

uke2se said:
Why? What are you waiting for? Kennedy was shot 48 years ago. Isn't that enough waiting?
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I suspect Robert has to do some cribbing from his little library of conspiracy books first to make sure he getting his story "right" before he delivers his bombshell.

Speaking of libraries, I came home from the library today with Stephen King's new novel 11/22/63 that I mentioned earlier. The plot is about a time traveler who goes back to the title date to prevent the Kennedy assassination by killing Oswald. (Yup, King is a lone gunman advocate.)

The book is 843 pages and I betcha I finish reading it before Robert wows everyone with that Final Nail in the Coffin post.
 
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I see it now!
At the annual gathering of the Twinkies in Dealey Plaza, all will be revealed by RP, from the Zapruder pedestal in the park pergola!
I'll alert the media... Faux Noise and Pravda, to be ready for the side-splitting earthshattering (nope, have to go with Sidesplitting ) event.
To say nothing of what the Twinkies that have actually done some footwork with actual research piling on the other people's work quoting lad.
 
Robert Prey said:
I know a fraud when I see one.
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I'm guessing you don't own a mirror.

Robert Prey said:
Have patience, oh ye of little faith.
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The above quote is not something someone who has the truth on their side would do. If he actually believed the stuff he believed he wouldn't play games like that, but deep down he knows it's nonsense. It's really entertaining to see the mental gymnastics he's using in an attempt to convince himself what he's believed for so long is right. The JFK is the one conspiracy theory I bought into when I was much younger and it took me a long time to admit I was wrong. Part of it is because I had been a conspiracy theorist for so long it was hard to admit I had wasted my time for all those years. So these mental gymnastics are all too familiar to me.
 
EventHorizon said:
I'm guessing you don't own a mirror.



The above quote is not something someone who has the truth on their side would do. If he actually believed the stuff he believed he wouldn't play games like that, but deep down he knows it's nonsense. It's really entertaining to see the mental gymnastics he's using in an attempt to convince himself what he's believed for so long is right. The JFK is the one conspiracy theory I bought into when I was much younger and it took me a long time to admit I was wrong. Part of it is because I had been a conspiracy theorist for so long it was hard to admit I had wasted my time for all those years. So these mental gymnastics are all too familiar to me.
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How interesting. And now for the benefit of one who has actually done some serous homework on the subject, what was the one single piece of evidence that convinced you to change your mind. This is a question the Lone Nutters on this board have great difficulty with. Perhaps you can enlighten. Evidence, mind you. Not generalized minutia, hyperbole or ad hominem attack which seems to be the standard Lone Nutter tac.
 
Robert Prey said:
How interesting. And now for the benefit of one who has actually done some serous homework on the subject, what was the one single piece of evidence that convinced you to change your mind. This is a question the Lone Nutters on this board have great difficulty with. Perhaps you can enlighten. Evidence, mind you. Not generalized minutia, hyperbole or ad hominem attack which seems to be the standard Lone Nutter tac.
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Will you start offering evidence any time soon? Something beyond tic for tac "this is the truth the other guys lied" statements?

By the way, what material evidence do you have that the following people lied (which you MUST have if you believe the autopsy was a fraud):
Non-medical personnel from law-enforcement/security:

John J. O'Leary: Secret Service Agent.
William Greer: Secret Service Agent.
Roy Kellerman: Secret Service Agent.
Francis X. O'Neill: FBI Agent
James Sibert: FBI Agent, assisting Francis O'Neill
Medical personnel and assistants (USA = US Army, USN = US Navy, USAF = US Air Force, MC = Medical Corps)

Official autopsy signatories:

Commander J. Thornton Boswell, MC, USN: Chief of Pathology at Naval Medical Center, Bethesda.
Commander James J. Humes, MC, USN: director of the laboratories of the National Medical School, Naval Medical Center, Bethesda. Chief autopsy pathologist for the JFK autopsy. Officially conducted autopsy.
Lieutenant Colonel Pierre A. Finck, MC, USA: Chief of the military environmental pathology division and chief of the wound ballistics pathology branch at Walter Reed Medical Center.
Other medical personnel

John Thomas Stringer, Jr: medical photographer
Floyd Albert Riebe: medical photographer
Paul Kelly O'Connor: laboratory technologist
James Curtis Jenkins: laboratory technologist
Edward F. Reed: X-ray technician
Jerrol F. Custer: X-ray technician
Jan Gail Rudnicki: Dr. Boswell's lab tech assistant on the night of the autopsy
PO James E. Metzler, USN: Hospital Corpsman 3rd Class
James H. Ebersole: Assistant Chief of Radiology
Lieutenant Commander Gregory H. Cross, MC, USN: resident in surgery
CPO Chester H. Boyers, USN: Chief Petty Officer in charge of the pathology division, visited the autopsy room during the final stages to type receipts given by FBI and Secret Service for items obtained
Vice Admiral Edward Kenney, MC, USN: Surgeon General of the U.S. Navy
Dr. George Bakeman, USN
Rear Admiral George Burkley, M.D., MC, USN: the President’s personal physician
Robert Frederick Karnei, M.D.: Bethesda pathologist
Captain David P. Osborne, MC, USN: chief of surgery at Bethesda
Captain Robert O. Canada, commanding officer of Bethesda Naval Hospital
Additional military personnel

Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh, USAF: US military aide to the President on the Dallas trip
Rear Admiral Calvin B. Galloway, USN: Commanding Officer of the U.S. Naval Medical Center, Bethesda
Captain John H. Stover, Jr., USN: Commanding Officer of the U.S. Naval Medical School, Bethesda
Major General Philip C. Wehle, USA: Commanding officer of the U.S. Military District of Washington, D.C., entered to make arrangements for the funeral and lying in state.
2nd Lieutenant Richard A. Lipsey, USA: Jr. aide to General Wehle[21]
1st Lieutenant Samuel A. Bird, USA: Head of the Old Guard.
Others: At the termination of the autopsy, the following personnel from Gawler’s Funeral Home entered the autopsy room to prepare the President’s body for viewing and burial (this required 3 to 4 hours [1]):

John VanHoesen
Edwin Stroble
Thomas E. Robinson
Joe Hagen


Now I expect you to go back tot he parkland testemony (again). So let's anticipate that, it is the word of your twenty selective witnesses against the word of around thirty people present at the autopsy. So I will emphasise again what evidence supports your claims that one group of witnesses are right and another group are wrong?

I don't want answers along the lines of "this many say so" because hey look, coroboration here too. I don't want "they work for American Intelligence" or "of course they were conspiritors" because that is your opinion. I want material evidence to support your claims.

Or I want you to admit you don't have any and have not, and can not "prove" a darned thing.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Will you start offering evidence any time soon? Something beyond tic for tac "this is the truth the other guys lied" statements?

By the way, what material evidence do you have that the following people lied (which you MUST have if you believe the autopsy was a fraud):
Non-medical personnel from law-enforcement/security:

John J. O'Leary: Secret Service Agent.
William Greer: Secret Service Agent.
Roy Kellerman: Secret Service Agent.
Francis X. O'Neill: FBI Agent
James Sibert: FBI Agent, assisting Francis O'Neill
Medical personnel and assistants (USA = US Army, USN = US Navy, USAF = US Air Force, MC = Medical Corps)

Official autopsy signatories:

Commander J. Thornton Boswell, MC, USN: Chief of Pathology at Naval Medical Center, Bethesda.
Commander James J. Humes, MC, USN: director of the laboratories of the National Medical School, Naval Medical Center, Bethesda. Chief autopsy pathologist for the JFK autopsy. Officially conducted autopsy.
Lieutenant Colonel Pierre A. Finck, MC, USA: Chief of the military environmental pathology division and chief of the wound ballistics pathology branch at Walter Reed Medical Center.
Other medical personnel

John Thomas Stringer, Jr: medical photographer
Floyd Albert Riebe: medical photographer
Paul Kelly O'Connor: laboratory technologist
James Curtis Jenkins: laboratory technologist
Edward F. Reed: X-ray technician
Jerrol F. Custer: X-ray technician
Jan Gail Rudnicki: Dr. Boswell's lab tech assistant on the night of the autopsy
PO James E. Metzler, USN: Hospital Corpsman 3rd Class
James H. Ebersole: Assistant Chief of Radiology
Lieutenant Commander Gregory H. Cross, MC, USN: resident in surgery
CPO Chester H. Boyers, USN: Chief Petty Officer in charge of the pathology division, visited the autopsy room during the final stages to type receipts given by FBI and Secret Service for items obtained
Vice Admiral Edward Kenney, MC, USN: Surgeon General of the U.S. Navy
Dr. George Bakeman, USN
Rear Admiral George Burkley, M.D., MC, USN: the President’s personal physician
Robert Frederick Karnei, M.D.: Bethesda pathologist
Captain David P. Osborne, MC, USN: chief of surgery at Bethesda
Captain Robert O. Canada, commanding officer of Bethesda Naval Hospital
Additional military personnel

Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh, USAF: US military aide to the President on the Dallas trip
Rear Admiral Calvin B. Galloway, USN: Commanding Officer of the U.S. Naval Medical Center, Bethesda
Captain John H. Stover, Jr., USN: Commanding Officer of the U.S. Naval Medical School, Bethesda
Major General Philip C. Wehle, USA: Commanding officer of the U.S. Military District of Washington, D.C., entered to make arrangements for the funeral and lying in state.
2nd Lieutenant Richard A. Lipsey, USA: Jr. aide to General Wehle[21]
1st Lieutenant Samuel A. Bird, USA: Head of the Old Guard.
Others: At the termination of the autopsy, the following personnel from Gawler’s Funeral Home entered the autopsy room to prepare the President’s body for viewing and burial (this required 3 to 4 hours [1]):

John VanHoesen
Edwin Stroble
Thomas E. Robinson
Joe Hagen


Now I expect you to go back tot he parkland testemony (again). So let's anticipate that, it is the word of your twenty selective witnesses against the word of around thirty people present at the autopsy. So I will emphasise again what evidence supports your claims that one group of witnesses are right and another group are wrong?

I don't want answers along the lines of "this many say so" because hey look, coroboration here too. I don't want "they work for American Intelligence" or "of course they were conspiritors" because that is your opinion. I want material evidence to support your claims.

Or I want you to admit you don't have any and have not, and can not "prove" a darned thing.
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The signatories to an autopsy report has nothing whatsoever to do with the interpretation of the report. This is just more irrelevant minutia. But many of those listed names repudiate your contention that there was no large blow-out in the back of the head:

For example:

- Dr. John Ebersole, Bethesda Hospital radiologist. In an extensive interview with his hometown newspaper in 1978, Dr. Ebersole said, "When the body was removed from the casket there was a very obvious horrible gaping wound in the back of the head" (Lifton 543).

There are many more examples I could list, but I do realize that I am dealing with a psychosis of Orwellian Double-think on this board, which means that no matter what the evidence, down will equal up, black will equal white, and a large exit hole in the back of the head will equal a small wound of entrance. You guys are completely, and utterly hopeless. Confucious say, "When the student is ready, the teacher appears." You guys are not ready now, nor will you ever be. Nuff said.
 
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