Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[RoseMontague]

I never liked Jeopardy in the first place- why would anyone want to Double it? And if its reached Final Jeopardy, why is the show still on? Usually things that are final are final, as in not repeated. The real injustice is that it is still on the air after all these years, and despite being a worn out concept happens to be the most interesting show on network television at that hour. TV sucks these days. Bring back Star Trek! I miss Data...

In all seriousness, while the concept of Double Jeopardy and extradition and the interrelationship of the two is intriguing, aside from arguing hypothetical scenarios, what is the relevance to the discussion at the moment? At this point it isn't even known if an appeal is likely, let alone what steps could might be taken after that.

My understanding is the prosecution has indicated they will appeal. That could change after the Motivation Report is issued. The Supreme Court will still have the final stay although if there is no appeal it is unlikely they will change anything, in my opinion.

Realistically, I don't see even a remote chance of the acquittal's being overturned, at least at this point. If by some odd chance that were to happen I see an even slimmer chance of a successful extradition. Machiavelli's thoughts on this with the terrorist analogy, I consider to be the Sean Connery of the final Jeopardy round.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Maybe I am missing the point, or the humor here. I appreciate kady_did's and Kaosium's research into this issue and the sharing of that information.

Some people were unable to appreciate George Carlin but I thought he was a genius. We all have different tastes in humor.

The research was great if you are looking for general knowledge on relations between the USA and Italy but it has absolutely no bearing on this case. I believe I started the double jeopardy conversation but I never thought it would lead to such an extensive effort. Humanity posted up the treaty. Discussing extradition for a month is pointless because it is never going to happen. Amanda is moving on with her life in Seattle. She will never be extradited back to Italy for anything. This case is over.

 

[RoseMontague]

I found the link about "Internet hatred" link ironically on PMF.org, which I occasionally read to get the circulation going. I was struck by this quote from it:

Innocence campaigns have a long and noble history and miscarriages of justice are sadly, all too common. Guilt campaigns are new and they are the children of the internet.​

I don't consider PMF or TJMK to be "hate sites". I don't believe it is an accurate label and I don't see it as helping to advance the discussion. It does seem to get a lot of use by most of Ms. Knox's strongest supporters.

 

[HumanityBlues]

I don't consider PMF or TJMK to be "hate sites". I don't believe it is an accurate label and I don't see it as helping to advance the discussion. It does seem to get a lot of use by most of Ms. Knox's strongest supporters.

What is a hate site?

 

[Bruce Fischer]

I don't consider PMF or TJMK to be "hate sites". I don't believe it is an accurate label and I don't see it as helping to advance the discussion. It does seem to get a lot of use by most of Ms. Knox's strongest supporters.

Really?

What discussion are you trying to advance?

 

[Osterwelle]

The Chicken or the Egg?

I was just pondering...

Did the missing evidence of Amanda's and Raffaele's involvment in the murder lead to the conclusion that the staged break-in "doesn't exist" or was it clear that there was no staged break-in which then supported the acquittal for the murder?

I mean, without the break-in being staged the already completely moronic theory of the murderer involving Amanda and Raffaele becomes even more absurd. Although I bet some would believe they teamed up with a burglar they just found on the loo while trying to start a sex orgy with Meredith...

Opinions?

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Osterwelle

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Rose,

I only post facts on JREF because that's just how I like to do things.

Fact: The people running TJMK/PMF are bad people.

 

[Antony]

I don't consider PMF or TJMK to be "hate sites". I don't believe it is an accurate label and I don't see it as helping to advance the discussion. It does seem to get a lot of use by most of Ms. Knox's strongest supporters.

I just meant "ironically" because the Ground Report article was one that went against the prevailing POV there. Whether the label "Internet hatred" was an ironic one or not, wasn't the point I was making.

Even so, I can't quite see why you dislike the description "hate site". It's certainly easy to see why people use it to apply to PMF and TJMK.

 

[RoseMontague]

Really?

What discussion are you trying to advance?

I am still interested in the RS/AK case, the upcoming Motivation Report, the appeal transcripts, the side civil cases, and the appeal of Mignini. The Scazzi case is also something that I am interested in discussing.

 

[HumanityBlues]

I just meant "ironically" because the Ground Report article was one that went against the prevailing POV there. Whether the label "Internet hatred" was an ironic one or not, wasn't the point I was making.

Even so, I can't quite see why you dislike the description "hate site". It's certainly easy to see why people use it to apply to PMF and TJMK.

I suppose if they libeled, threatened and harassed people in a more friendly way, we could call them a "mildly disliking site".

 

[RoseMontague]

Rose,

I only post facts on JREF because that's just how I like to do things.

Fact: The people running TJMK/PMF are bad people.

Bruce, I have a great appreciation for you and what you have done on the behalf of two innocent people, but you know we have not been in agreement on this issue for awhile now.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

I am still interested in the RS/AK case, the upcoming Motivation Report, the appeal transcripts, the side civil cases, and the appeal of Mignini. The Scazzi case is also something that I am interested in discussing.

So you think your interest can be satisfied by discussing the case with people that have been proven 100% wrong? Not to mention the fact that they have attacked innocent people for 4 years all while not doing a single thing in the name of Meredith Kercher, the woman they claim to gather for.

No memorial, no college fund in her name, nothing. They use Meredith as a front to attack others. The facts are clear. They are a hate group.

 

[RoseMontague]

I just meant "ironically" because the Ground Report article was one that went against the prevailing POV there. Whether the label "Internet hatred" was an ironic one or not, wasn't the point I was making.

Even so, I can't quite see why you dislike the description "hate site". It's certainly easy to see why people use it to apply to PMF and TJMK.

I did not intend to pick on you with this, the Ground Report is just another example of those that believe in innocence labeling those that believe in guilt as members of a "hate site". My opinion on this has not changed.

 

[Osterwelle]

What is a hate site?

That one: www.ihatemyiphone.com

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Osterwelle

 

[Bruce Fischer]

I did not intend to pick on you with this, the Ground Report is just another example of those that believe in innocence labeling those that believe in guilt as members of a "hate site". My opinion on this has not changed.

Peggy recently banned you claiming that she wanted to do something good for Meredith. That is delusional thinking.

Anyone want to create a list of things that PMF has done in Meredith's name over the past 4 years? Anyone?

 

[RoseMontague]

So you think your interest can be satisfied by discussing the case with people that have been proven 100% wrong? Not to mention the fact that they have attacked innocent people for 4 years all while not doing a single thing in the name of Meredith Kercher, the woman they claim to gather for.

No memorial, no college fund in her name, nothing. They use Meredith as a front to attack others. The facts are clear. They are a hate group.

It is clear that is your opinion, Bruce. For me it is not clear at all.

 

[RoseMontague]

Peggy recently banned you claiming that she wanted to do something good for Meredith. That is delusional thinking.

Anyone want to create a list of things that PMF has done in Meredith's name over the past 4 years? Anyone?

Peggy banning me (again) does not mean PMF is a hate site, nor does a perceived lack of things they have done on behalf of Meredith make it a hate site.

 

[HumanityBlues]

Peggy banning me (again) does not mean PMF is a hate site, nor does a perceived lack of things they have done on behalf to Meredith make it a hate site.

I agree. There are a bunch more substantial reasons than your banning or lack of things done on behalf of Meredith that would substantiate the term "hate site".

 

[Bruce Fischer]

It is clear that is your opinion, Bruce. For me it is not clear at all.

Do you know of anything that PMF has done in the name of Meredith Kercher?

Are you aware of the attacks that have been waged by PMF against innocent people for simply believing that Amanda is innocent?

No one tells me who I can talk to and no one should try to tell you. We are all free to talk to anyone we like. Unfortunately you will be unable to advance your discussion because they banned you. PMF has told you who you can and cannot talk to. Why would you want to associate with anyone that throws you out of their house?

 

[Osterwelle]

Fact: The people running TJMK/PMF are bad people.

Bruce, I would be careful calling them "bad people".
Call them "unsavoury body orifices", "sex organs" or "unhygenic farm animals" if you must. That way you get your point across without implying there could be an excuse for their behavior. MOO

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Osterwelle