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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Maybe we'll get a guided tour of Livingstone's Grassy Knoll underground bunker!

Or a tour of the storm drains under Daley Plaza where snipers were waiting to pop up out of the manhole covers to shoot Kennedy (this was one of Jim Garrison's ever changing conspiracy theories). Either would be more entertaining than what we're hearing from Robert so far.
 
Or a tour of the storm drains under Daley Plaza where snipers were waiting to pop up out of the manhole covers to shoot Kennedy (this was one of Jim Garrison's ever changing conspiracy theories). Either would be more entertaining than what we're hearing from Robert so far.

An no less plausible.
 
I don't recall any video of a man with a rifle.
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Considering the difficulty of -exactly- duplicating the pose and shadows with a single image, doing the test with the proper sun angle and taking a video as the subject shifts around, the probability of duplicating -that- shadow is pretty high.
 
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Considering the difficulty of -exactly- duplicating the pose and shadows with a single image, doing the test with the proper sun angle and taking a video as the subject shifts around, the probability of duplicating -that- shadow is pretty high.

Even so it was very close to what was in the pictures.

I think RP is game-playing with the fact that the guy used a stick rather than a rifle. Because, you know, sticks make deceptive shadows while rifles make honest ones....
 
Or a tour of the storm drains under Daley Plaza where snipers were waiting to pop up out of the manhole covers to shoot Kennedy (this was one of Jim Garrison's ever changing conspiracy theories). Either would be more entertaining than what we're hearing from Robert so far.
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The storm drain... problems there.
The first is getting into it.
The next is not being seen in it by the spectators.
Then the cycle officer closest to the curb not seeing it... we motorcycle riders learn to observe our potential direction of travel, to avoid things like open man holes. :)
And lastly, they ain't NO TARGET visible from there!
JFK was slumped towards the middle of the vehicle, and not visible from ground level from the right side of the car.
 
Yeah, I also had been thinking of our old friend who went by Rouser and then Rouser2.

A sock puppet? Rouser2 joined the forum ten years ago (October 2001).

Judging by his petulance, his inability to think clearly and his ignorance of the importance of citations (indicating he has never taken college-level course work), I am pegging Robert as no older than 18.

Of course we could be dealing with a severe case of arrested development. :D

And speaking of college-level thinking and presentation of his arguments for a conspiracy, the grade so far for Robert.

 
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A sock puppet? Rouser2 joined the forum ten years ago (October 2001).

Judging by his petulance, his inability to think clearly and his ignorance of the importance of citations (indicating he has never taken college-level course work), I am pegging Robert as no older than 18.

Actually, I am failing to see which of these traits doesn't apply to the other. :D
 
Or a tour of the storm drains under Daley Plaza where snipers were waiting to pop up out of the manhole covers to shoot Kennedy (this was one of Jim Garrison's ever changing conspiracy theories). Either would be more entertaining than what we're hearing from Robert so far.


Ah so that's where the X-Files got that from...
 
The Shadows Again...

Robert seems hung up on the direction of the shadows in the backyard photos.

As has been noted before on this thread, shadow directions is part of the "evidence" the Moon Hoax conspiracy kooks (like James Fetzer, one of Robert's photographic "experts" on the JFK assassination) used to discredit NASA photos taken on the moon on the Apollo missions.

Channel Five in the UK did a great show back in 2003 about the Moon Hoax conspiratards and demolished this shadow "evidence."

Here is the link to that documentary cued up to the relevant segment.
 
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Robert seems hung up on the direction of the shadows in the backyard photos.

As has been noted before on this thread, shadow directions is part of the "evidence" the Moon Hoax conspiracy kooks (like James Fetzer, one of Robert's photographic "experts" on the JFK assassination


If there's one thing I've learned reading conspiracy stuff it's that basing an argument on "angles of photograph shadows" is the first sign of a whackatoo.
 
If the lad has been chasing his fantasies here for 10 years, there's no hope for him.
 
214 W Neely Street, Dallas Texas from Google Earth...
 

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The Fatal Bullet from the Grassy Knoll

You're probably thinking "Poor Robert" with it being handed to you so many times so easily.

Now that you should know that there is no question about Oswald owning the rifle and no question about the backyard photos, are you ready to produce your killer evidence of a bullet from the grassy knoll?

If you're wanting to back out because you realize your killer evidence will only convince other credulous believers, no harm no foul.

The Fatal Bullet from the Grassy Knoll

There is so much evidence relating to the JFK assassination that it takes an entire book to just cover a small portion of it. In this post, I will only cover what I consider to be the Best Evidence, namely the fatal wound(s) to the President's head. That leaves out the single bullet controversy, the Dealey Plaza witnesses, the Zapruder film, the expert and counter expert conclusions about the spray of brain tissue, the ballistic "experts", the acoustic evidence and the many, muddled and clearly fraudulent interpretations of the autopsy and its alleged photos and x-rays.All we have left is that which cannot be altered or forged after the fact, mainly, the contemporaenous eye-witness accounts of those doctors, nurses and attendents at Parkland Hospital, before the FBI got to appraise them of the "offiicial script."

First the obvious but necessary explanation of entrance as versus exit wounds caused by a bullet.

From: Explore Forensics
http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/entrance-and-exit-wounds.html

Understanding Injuries > Entrance and Exit Wounds
Entrance and Exit Wounds
Author: Jack Claridge - Updated: 20 July 2010 | Comment
Entrance And Exit Wounds Gun Shot Bullet

"...The entrance wound is normally smaller and quite symmetrical in comparison to the exit wound..,."
"Exit wounds...are usually larger than the entrance wound and this is because as the round moves through the body of the victim it slows down and explodes within the tissue and surrounding muscle. This slowing down of the projectile means that as it reaches the end of its trajectory it has to force harder to push through. This equates to the exit wound normally looking larger and considerably more destructive than its pre-cursor - the entrance wound."

According to the Warren Report:
"The detailed autopsy of President Kennedy performed on the night of Nov. 22 at Bethesda Naval Hospital led by the three attending pathologists to conlude that the smaller hole in the rear of the President's skull was a point of entry and that the large opening on the right side of the head was the wound of exit. The smaller hole in the back of the President's head measured one-fourth of an inch by five-8ths of an inch... The dimensions of that wound were consistent with having been caused by a 6.5 millimeter bullet fired from behind and above..."

For some reason, the Warren Commission did not want to actually see the autopsy photos or x-rays, perhaps because they might conflict with their pre-determined script, but instead relied on drawings by H.A. Rydberg, under the direction of autopsy doctors Humes and Boswell as shown here.



These drawings obviously support a small alleged entrance wound in the back of the head and a larger wound of alleged exit at the right front. The problem with this interpretation is that it counters all of the accounts of the doctors, nurses and attendants at Parkland who observed a large wound in the back of the head, indicating a probable shot from the front -- from the Grassy Knoll. Here is a sampling of these observations:

Dr. McClelland:

"I was in such a position that I could closely examine the head wound, and I noted that the right posterior portion of the skull had been blasted. It had been shattered, apparently, by the force of the shot so that the parietal bone was protruded up through the scalp... as well as some of the occipital bone being fractured in its lateral half, and this sprung open the bones that I mentioned in such a wasy that you could actually look down into the skull cavity itself and see that probably a third or so, at least, of the brain tissue, posterior cerebral tissue and some of the cerebellar tissue had been blastd out."
The wound McClelland described would look like this drawing, a drawing that he approved for publication. -- (From "Not in your Lifetime" by Anthony Summers quoting McClelland's Warren testimony.)


This description was consistent with virtually all of the persons with only slight variations at Parkland, to wit:

The following quoted from JFK Lancer: http://www.jfklancer.com/ParklandDrs.html

Dr. Carrico:
"I believe there was shredded and macerated cerebral and cerebellar tissues both in the wounds and on the fragments of skull."
"This [wound] was a 5cm by 17cm defect in the posterior skull, the occipital region. There was an absence of the calvarium or skull in this area."
"[There was]...a fairly large wound on the right side of the head in the parietal/occipital area. One could see blood and brains, both cerebellum and cerebrum fragments in that wound."

Adolph Giesecke, Staff Anesthesiologist:
"It seemed that from the vertex to the left ear, and from the browline to the occiput on the left hand side of the head the cranium was entirely missing."

Marion Jenkins (Professor And Chairman Of Anesthesiology):
"There was a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital)...even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound. ,,,I really think part of the cerebellum, as I recognized it, was herniated from the wound...."

Charles Baxter, (Professor Of Surgery; Director Of Emergency Room)
"The right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying on the table."

Diana Bowron, Parkland Hospital nurse. Nurse Bowron actually cleaned the large defect and packed it with gauze squares in preparing the body for the casket. She vividly remembers that the large head wound was in the right rear part of the skull.
Doris Nelson, the supervising Emergency Room nurse, carefully inspected the body. Ben Bradlee, Jr., asked her, "Did you get a good look at his head injuries?" "A very good look," she replied. "Oh, I did see it. When we wrapped him up and put him in the coffin. I saw his whole head." She was then asked if the alleged autopsy photos were accurate. "No. It's not true. Because there was no hair back there. There wasn't even hair back there. It was blown away. Some of his head was blown away and his brains were fallen down on the stretcher." ("High Treason," by Groden and Livingstone 454)


From the HSCA

Paul Peters, (Assistant Professor Of Urology):
"I could see the occipital lobes clearly.... I thought it looked like the cerebellum was injured, or missing, because the occipital lobes seemed almost on the foramen magnum."

Malcolm Perry (Assistant Professor Of Surgery):
"The parietal occipital head wound was largely evulsive and there was visible brain tissue...and some cerebellum."

Dr. Kemp Clark, Associate Professor and Chairman of Neurosurgery:
"There was a large wound beginning in the right occiput extending into the parietal region." "Both cerebral and cerebellar tissues were extruding from the wound."

From: "JFK Conspiracy of Silence Charles A. Crenshaw, M.D.

"Had I been allowed to testify, I would have told them that there is no doubt in my mind that the bullet that killed President Kennedy was shot from the Grassy Knoll area...The entire right hemisphere of his brain was missing...based on my experience with trauma to the head from gunshots, I knew that only a high velocity bullet from a rifle could dissect a cranium that way. Part of his brain, the cerebellum, was dangling from the back of his head...The hundreds of trauma cases involving gunshots that I have seen and treated since 1963 further convince me that my conclusions about President Kennedy's wounds were correct....The men on the Commission heard exactly what they wanted to hear, or what they were instructed to hear and then reported what they wanted to report or what they were instructed to report.... the Warren Report (is) a fable, a virtual insult to the intellilgence of the American People."

Finally: Paul O'Connor, the man whose job it was to extract the brain of the President at Bethesda prior to the autopsy:
"My job was to remove the brain... there was no brain to remove. There was no brain." -- Lifton, "Best Evidence"

Thus, either the Warren Report is a lie, or all of these observations constitute a lie of multiple proportions. It strains credulity to think all these witnesses were simply mistaken. Somebody asked "Why is the Warren Report a Whitewash?" This is your answer.

Coming soon: The Final Nail in the Lone Nutter Coffin













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The two strongest evidences that there was no shooter on the grassy knoll, other than that the lack of opportunity for the shot and that the area was in plain sight of all those on the other side of the road, is that the left side of JFK's head was undamaged and that Jackie was still alive after the fatal shot.
 
So...the autopsy reports and photos are fake and the Zapruder film is as well. Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks for opening my eyes.

Y'know the President was on alot of medication. Wouldn't it just been simpler to muck with that? Y'know insteada all this out in public, uncontrolled environment type deal.
 
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