Occupy Wall Street better defend its identity

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You know those fringe groups that latch on to much larger demonstrations to get publicity they never could on their own? It seems they realized that they could all band together and have a perpetual protest under the Occupy banner. A Tower of Babble of demands, none comprehensible over the din of craziness.
 
Parks got lots of other people working for her cause. OWS attracts lots of people working for their own causes.
No. Lot's of people during the civil rights era had different goals. There were many disagreements. But that wasn't even the point at hand. You are moving goal posts.

See the difference?
No.

You're really equivocating disrupting a business that discriminates by race until they end that discrimination to locking old ladies inside a bank until capitalism is abolished?
No. That's silly. I grew up during that time. Govt buildings were targeted as were colleges. And of course you ignored the bus strike that effected innocent people.

Seen any lately?
I posted some and I posted videos that had signs about jobs. Chill out, I'll post more.
 
The OWS message:

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What about all the signs that say "Smash capitalism" or have pictures of Che Guevara?

Are they the OWS message? Or is it just the ones you say are the message?
 
No. Lot's of people during the civil rights era had different goals. There were many disagreements. But that wasn't even the point at hand. You are moving goal posts.
You say "no", yet you admit that's what happened.

You don;t see a difference between a single cause (no racial discrimination) and the endless list of causes in the OWS movement, everything from 9/11 Truth to "free Gaza" to communist revolution to destroying capitalism to anarchy to Ron Paul to free tuition to ending aid to Israel etc etc etc? Theses causes aren't even linked by a common thread.

No. That's silly. I grew up during that time. Govt buildings were targeted as were colleges. And of course you ignored the bus strike that effected innocent people.
But we are doing it to private businesses now, thus my lunch counter example.

I posted some and I posted videos that had signs about jobs. Chill out, I'll post more.
Got any about a jobs bill? This was one of your claims. Frankly, all you're doing is projecting your own grievances onto the OWS demonstrators and declaring them "the OWS demands".
 
Still waiting for the "pass the jobs bill" claim.
Do you think these people would object to the jobs bill? Pass the jobs bill was what I said. I've said over and over that this isn't a monolithic movement. They want jobs. I never claimed that there were signs demanding the jobs bill. There are signs demanding jobs. The GOP answer is to do nothing but wait. That is one reason OWS is upset. The Jobs bill would go a long way to resolve that.

Are you still demanding that OWS is without any message or demands?
 
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You say "no", yet you admit that's what happened.
No. On the contrary. I demonstrated that it didn't and you failed to acknowledge it.


You don;t see a difference between a single cause...
There was no single cause.


  • Women's rights.
  • Minority rights.
  • End Vietnam.
  • End capitalism.
  • Voting rights.
  • End the hegemony (South American misadventure).
But we are doing it to private businesses now, thus my lunch counter example.
The bus strike hurt private businesses. The sanitation strike hurt private business and citizens.

Got any about a jobs bill? This was one of your claims.
Evidence? I never claimed that my list was specific.

Frankly, all you're doing is projecting your own grievances onto the OWS demonstrators and declaring them "the OWS demands".[/quote I admitted that A.) my points are not universal. B.) It was what I perceived as what OWS wanted.

Look at the signs. "Jobs". What on earth do you think that means? Instead of telling me what I'm projecting maybe you could take some time to honestly ask yourself what it is OWS is saying about "jobs"? Perhaps you could go back and look at my bulleted points and think about what I'm actually saying and not projecting your preconceived notions on me.
 
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What about all the signs that say "Smash capitalism" or have pictures of Che Guevara?
What about them? I don't agree with them. I didn't agree with many of the message of the Tea Party. Particularly the antisemetic and racist messages. So, I'll ask again, what about them?

Are they the OWS message? Or is it just the ones you say are the message?
I've answered this question so many time I'm beginning to think you don't care about the answer. I'm wondering how many times I will have to tell you.

  1. Like the civil rights era there is no single message.
  2. There are many conflicting goals and views.
  3. I made clear that my goals are not shared by everyone.
OWS is upset by the lack of govt to address serious issues of jobs, shrinking middle class the overall economy and the corruption on wall street.
 
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Do you think these people would object to the jobs bill?
I don't know, and neither do you. Certainly the Paultard faction is against it.

Pass the jobs bill was what I said.
You claimed this was a demand of OWS. There is no evidence at all that this is the case.

I've said over and over that this isn't a monolithic movement.
So it's not like Rosa Parks?

They want jobs.
Some do. Others want communism, others want anarchy. Still others want a new investigation into 9/11. Others want to end capitalism entirely. Still others want to free Gaza.

I never claimed that there were signs demanding the jobs bill.
No, you said that was one of the demands of OWS. No evidsence provided, not even a sign. Maybe they forgot to make one?

There are signs demanding jobs.
And there are an infinite variety of ways to do that, Obama's jobs bill being just one of them.

The GOP answer is to do nothing but wait.
I could have sworn they wanted to revamp the tax code to encourage new businesses and expansion of existing ones? Got any quotes from the GOP saying "do nothing but wait"?

That is one reason OWS is upset. The Jobs bill would go a long way to resolve that.
Or the jobs bill just adds more debt while the structural deficiencies of the economy go unaddressed.

Are you still demanding that OWS is without any message or demands?
It's certainly without any overriding messaage or demands, other than "we're pissed". Beyond that, their message and demands are as varied as snowflakes.
 
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