JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

[Walter Ego]

The CT's have adopted Hollywood physics where bullet hits send the victim hurtling in the direction the bullet was travelling. Now as you mentioned in another post if people haven't been exposed to the proper science its fair enough for them to make that mistake; its when they're given the real science and still choose to believe the myth that the problems arise.

Here's a clearer version of Z312-Z313 than I Ratant posted showing that JFK's head snapped to the front at the moment of the fatal head shot as the bullet struck the back of his head. This indicates the fatal bullet came from Oswald's location in the TSBD. The time between the two frames is 1/18th of a second.

The famous back and to the left movement of JFK's whole body a moment later so beloved of conspiracy theorists supposedly indicating a shot from the front (i.e., from the direction of the Grassy Knoll) was probably caused by some sort of neurological reaction, sometimes called a "neuromuscular spasm", or a combination of both. In other words, JFK's head snapped forward before it snapped backwards.

 

[bynmdsue]

I always felt "back and to the left" was the only place his head could go since at the moment of impact his chin against his chest.

 

[Walter Ego]

And yet with no pressure on [Marina Oswald] today, and with a wholehearted belief in the JFK conspiracy (thanks to decades of CTers whispering nonsense in her ear) she still says she took the photos.

As late as October of 1988, Marina was saying in an interview with Jack Anderson, "I took the pictures" ... "He asked me to take the pictures." (At about the 1:20 mark in the video linked below). It is obvious from some of her statements in the interview that she had fallen under the influence of the conspiracy theorists, but she does not deny taking the photos. I have never heard her deny she did take them.

 

[kookbreaker]

As late as October of 1988, Marina was saying in an interview with Jack Anderson, "I took the pictures" ... "He asked me to take the pictures." (At about the 1:20 mark in the video linked below). It is obvious from some of her statements in the interview that she had fallen under the influence of the conspiracy theorists, but she does not deny taking the photos. I have never heard her deny she did take them.

So also told Posner in the early 90's that she took them. She also told Bugliosi in 2000 that she took them. Trying to say she was 'threatened' in this day and age is a bad joke.

 

[I Ratant]

Here's a clearer version of Z312-Z313 than I Ratant posted showing that JFK's head snapped to the front at the moment of the fatal head shot as the bullet struck the back of his head. This indicates the fatal bullet came from Oswald's location in the TSBD. The time between the two frames is 1/18th of a second.

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The famous back and to the left movement of JFK's whole body a moment later so beloved of conspiracy theorists supposedly indicating a shot from the front (i.e., from the direction of the Grassy Knoll) was probably caused by some sort of neurological reaction, sometimes called a "neuromuscular spasm", or a combination of both. In other words, JFK's head snapped forward before it snapped backwards.

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This is what happens when the data is looked at to see what the data shows, instead of trying to find the foregone conclusion in the data.
Almost anyone can do this kind of data analysis.... except for those whose interest lies only in being told what to think by the conspiracy novelists.
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I visited another gun store today looking at Mauser rifles.
The only one I found with any sensible nomenclature on it all said:
"SPANDAU 1916", and "G.E.W. 98"... not a caliber size in sight and no "Mauser" either.

 

[LSSBB]

I always felt "back and to the left" was the only place his head could go since at the moment of impact his chin against his chest.

I can't hear "back and to the left" without thinking of the Seinfeld "second spitter" parody of Stone's movie.

 

[Walter Ego]

More On Robert's Photographic "Experts"

I own a copy of Bugliosi's book which comes with a CD containing almost a thousand pages of endnotes. I copied the CD to my computer and am able to c&p excerpts directly from these notes.

These are notes for page 794 of the book where Bugliosi discusses the "experts" who claimed the backyard photos were fakes.

When asked by the [HSCA] why he thought the fake photographs had been made, [Jack] White replied, “It is fairly obvious . . . that they were made to implicate Oswald in the alleged assassination by tying him to the assassination weapon” (2 HSCA 323–325, 333).

Two other experts had made public statements attesting to the “fakery” of the backyard photos by the time of the HSCA’s analysis. The 1978 BBC television documentary The Assassination of President Kennedy: What We Know Now That We Didn’t Know Then featured an interview with British forensic photography expert Malcolm Thompson, who examined copies of two of the backyard photos and concluded they were fakes (6 HSCA 219–225; 2 HSCA 322). After reviewing the HSCA photographic panel’s report, Thompson deferred to the committee’s conclusions, explaining that his own conclusions werebased on copies of the photographs,not the originals that the HSCA had utilized (6 HSCA 177).

Another photo expert, J. M. Pickard, appeared in a Canadian Broadcasting Company segment of The Fifth Estate, and denounced the backyard photos as fakes. However,Pickard, a photographic expert with the Department of Defense in Canada, told the HSCA staff that he spent less than one hour preparing for his public comments on the show and had made no scientific analysis of the photos before rendering an opinion. (2 HSCA 347)

 

[Robert Prey]

White didn't fare to well under questioning by the HSAC.



According to Posner in Case Closed (Random House 1993, p. 108), White had a cottage industry going for many years peddling videos and booklets and giving lectures about the "faked" backyard photos.

Yeah, well all of that is just more of your continued ad hominem attack which you seem to prefer to discussing the evidence he presents as to b/y photo forgery. But I guess that's all you've got.

 

[Robert Prey]

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Back and to the left...
Our boy is using Ollie Stone as a source?
Ollie uses Marrs.
No examples of intelligence and a desire to find the fact in the trio.
"Back and to the left"... riiiiiiiiiiiiiight!
The man's body moves "back and to the left" long after the bullet has passed to hit the windshield chrome.
The body spasm is due to the tension brought on by the back wound, and the reaction of the legs when the CNS is destroyed by the bullet.
I asked Lifton how that itty-bitty bullet moved that big man around the way he claims, and he had no answer.
Those of us that shoot things see no significant motion to a fragile target such as milk jugs, melons, and in this case a head, to the bullet's passage.
The targets don't leap off what they're on and chase the bullet.
Melon shooting... the melon does nothing long after the bullet passes, then slowly rolls off the mount.
And me shooting my Carcano.
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Jim Marrs, who never met a conspiracy he didn't like...

It's a silly discussion. The head could move either way or not at all depending on a host of factors including more than one bullet from more than one direction, which is why I won't get involved in such theoretical discussions.

 

[Robert Prey]

And the evidence for this is? Didn't think so.



And yet with no pressure on her today, and with a wholehearted belief in the JFK conspiracy (thanks to decades of CTers whispering nonsense in her ear) she still says she took the photos.

..but not the ones in evidence.

 

[Robert Prey]

I own a copy of Bugliosi's book which comes with a CD containing almost a thousand pages of endnotes. I copied the CD to my computer and am able to c&p excerpts directly from these notes.

These are notes for page 794 of the book where Bugliosi discusses the "experts" who claimed the backyard photos were fakes.

The Bug man will try anything to discredit those who bear evidence contrary to his point of view which is just more ad hominem attack in place of a critique of the evidence. The usual tac on this board as well. Boring.

 

[I Ratant]

It's a silly discussion. The head could move either way or not at all depending on a host of factors including more than one bullet from more than one direction, which is why I won't get involved in such theoretical discussions.

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Shurely you'll be happier at "Above Top Secret"... all the nuts gather there to frighten each with their deepest fantasies, and not be bothered by sane people.

 

[Robert Prey]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey View Post
There are mysteries aplenty regarding the B/Y photos, but a reasonable theory might be that there were indeed photos taken, but the cover-uppers decided to improve on them by perhaps adding a pistol, and some ridiculous commie literature.

And the evidence for this is? Didn't think so.


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Do you understand what a "theory" is? Didn't think so.

 

[Robert Prey]

The "evidence" you've provided has been thoroughly smashed all to flinders. No doubt you've seen the same thing happen on other conspiritard sites and still rehash the same tired, totally discredited and debunked garbage that you already know to be false.

Then why are you so upset?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Then why are you so upset?

Calm down and try not to project so much.

So, any answer for the numerous questions you've been asked and can't answer yet? In the fencepost photo, based on your abilities being tutored under Jack White, what times are it? LOL.

 

[Robert Prey]

I own a copy of Bugliosi's book which comes with a CD containing almost a thousand pages of endnotes. I copied the CD to my computer and am able to c&p excerpts directly from these notes.

These are notes for page 794 of the book where Bugliosi discusses the "experts" who claimed the backyard photos were fakes.

Along those same lines, are you completely sure of the sanity of the Bug man? You know of course that he has been attempting to get Former President George W. Bush prosecuted for war crimes. Sound pretty sane to you?

 

[Robert Prey]

. His palmprint was on the rifle found on the 6th floor of the TSBD and he was in possession of the handgun when arrested./QUOTE]



Yes it is, because you are not paying attention



Utter nonsense:

1) The dead don't sweat to place finger or palm prints.
2) The 'evidence' consists of pictures of a guy with a box outside the funeral home
3) Garrison's claims about the WC comes from Mark Lane who misrepresents the fact that the WC got conclusive and complete answers.

Tell you what, find me a technique for getting a fingerprint or palmprint off a corpse that could be used in the 1960's. Then explain why any DPD officer would risk a mistrial by faking evidence when at the very minimum Oswald was going to get the chair for shooting Tippet.

Go ahead. Start explaining.

Oh, the conspirators had that mistrial possibility covered with the assistance of Mr. Ruby.

 

[kookbreaker]

Oh, the conspirators had that mistrial possibility covered with the assistance of Mr. Ruby.

Well, that was a complete dodge.

Why don't you tell us how you get latent prints of a dead body.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Robert, what is your single best piece of evidence for a bullet coming from the grassy knoll? Is there any?

 

[kookbreaker]

Do you understand what a "theory" is? Didn't think so.

Theories are usually based on evidence and observations. If they are based on silly ideas you make up at random they aren't really worthy of the term 'theory'.