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Is this racist?

Seinfeld Season 7 Episode 19 The Wig Master — Cosmo Kramer, struts proudly down the sidewalk wearing an Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat and wide brimmed hat that the wind happened to blow his way. [see photo below]

I'm less inclined to see the comment of the OP's Facebook friend as racism, than I am to see it as failed comedy.
 

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It doesn't get any whiter than this:

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His joke was lame, but I wouldn't have thought of it as racist unless it was pointed out to me. Pimps and pimp hat wearers can be black or white. The pimp in Bachelor Party was Indian, even.
 
I did not know that. This is getting off topic but would you say there are as many as black pimps?

If by "pimp" you mean "Dresses like an explosion at the 70's textile warehouse" then probably not. If you mean "Is the 'employer' of prostitutes and likely other criminal enterprises" then yeah. Oh yeah. I can't be certain but I think it's fair to say we have more white pimps than black.
 
If by "pimp" you mean "Dresses like an explosion at the 70's textile warehouse" then probably not. If you mean "Is the 'employer' of prostitutes and likely other criminal enterprises" then yeah. Oh yeah. I can't be certain but I think it's fair to say we have more white pimps than black.

Ahhh yes - the issue is more broad when one realizes that 'pimp' can mean different things. Like I mentioned above calling a presidential candidate a pimp in terms of sexual harrassment charges against him is different than saying "that's so pimp" or "look at my pimp ride".

That's fascinating to me about the UK thing. huh.
 
People who immediately associate pimps with dark skin calling others racist. Funny but typical.
 
People who immediately associate pimps with dark skin calling others racist. Funny but typical.

So you think he woudl've said the same thing if speaking about Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich? The fact that Cain is black and my friend used the word pimp means nothing? It seems to me he made the association first.
 
So you think he woudl've said the same thing if speaking about Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich? The fact that Cain is black and my friend used the word pimp means nothing? It seems to me he made the association first.

Means nothing to me. If I was going for the point he was I'd probably have used that word for whoever.
 
So you think he woudl've said the same thing if speaking about Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich? The fact that Cain is black and my friend used the word pimp means nothing? It seems to me he made the association first.


FWIW, I agree with you. But it is a pretty minor offense. Your friend is clueless to not see it. But we all are clueless in one way or another.
 
FWIW, I agree with you. But it is a pretty minor offense. Your friend is clueless to not see it. But we all are clueless in one way or another.

Oh totally minor offense, I agree. That's why in the OP I mentioned that this meant very little to me. I'm definitely thinking about it in a different way now, though!
 
Ahhh yes - the issue is more broad when one realizes that 'pimp' can mean different things. Like I mentioned above calling a presidential candidate a pimp in terms of sexual harrassment charges against him is different than saying "that's so pimp" or "look at my pimp ride".

That's fascinating to me about the UK thing. huh.

I still prefer the robot chicken answer to pimp my ride, pimp my sister.

 
A friend on Facebook recently posted that, in light of the recent sexual harrassment allegations, Herman Cain was "just another smooth talker wearing pimp hats..." I mentioned that this was a tad racist, asking if he would have said that if Cain were white. The "friend" said that by mentioning racism I had made a bold statement, and that his comment was a joke meant to show that politicians are never what they say they are.

Truthfully, this matters to me very little, but what do you think of his original comment?

No
 
Googled, "Bill Clinton is a pimp" (in quotes).

Results: Over seven thousand.

Including Youtube videos titled exactly that, as well as a t-shirt you can purchase should you so desire, but which I cannot link to because it contains a naughty word.

Has Bill Clinton gone black? 'Cause then he'll never go back...
 
Googled, "Herman Cain is a pimp" (in quotes).

Results: Six.

Googled "Anthony Weiner is a pimp" (in quotes).

Results: One.

Googled "Newt Gingrich is a pimp" (in quotes).

Results: Three.

Googled "Barack Obama is a pimp" (in quotes).

Results: One million six hundred and fifty thousand.

(That last was based on a rumor that appears to have flooded the interwebs.)
 
I still honestly can't see how anyone could consider calling a black man a "pimp" is racist. Yeah, I understand the explanation, but it seems ridiculous to me, and even if it historically used to be true I would question if it is now.
 
So you think he woudl've said the same thing if speaking about Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich?

Is there any reason to assume he wouldn't? Is your friend racist? Have you ever known him to be racist before? Do you have any justification for assuming he's being racist?



The fact that Cain is black and my friend used the word pimp means nothing?

Not to me it doesn't.



It seems to me he made the association first.

It seems to me you made the association. You're the one being racist, not him.
 
What? Inviting Obama for watermelon and fried chicken isn't racist, everybody eats those. You are making the association to his race.
How was I the one making association to race ? If I had seen the comment about Cain being a pimp I honestly wouldn't have even thought about the fact he was black plus pimp. I personally am thoroughly use to the word being a slang word without the racial slur connotation to it that others seem to have, for whatever the reason. I'm not that young (34), but I am used to being the minority ...

Yes I have never seen or heard of a white pimp. In the documentary American Pimp (which admittedly was probably biased) there is a discussion of this very fact.

Are you saying it is racist to think that most if not nearly all pimps are black? I really think that's just the reality. Which is why I thought what he had said was racist.

By the way I am aware he said "pimp hats" (ostensibly meaning headware) but I think he chose the word pimp specifically to single out Cain as a black man.
I would say it's racist to claim that most if not nearly all pimps are black ... but to be fair it's because of my use of the word "pimp". I'm a good example of a person who doesn't associate it strictly with the prostitute/"profession" aspect. I would call any adept playa of the game a pimp, a G, and any sufficiently tight bling that's sick and legit is pimpin and gets my props. No need to bring skanks and hos into it at all :D

So to be fair, context is everything there, because the use of the word has changed and is no longer strict per se.

To that end ... within the "real pimp" industry, whatever the statistically dominant race is for pimps, I honestly don't even care.

Are you familiar with the concept of privilage? Because right now I'm seeing a lot of "privilage blindness" here. A lot of the usual justifications for why one shouldn't have to change one's speech or perception.

Unfortunately, I am nowhere near as good at explaining these things as the folks who beat the concept into me are.
Hmm ... I had to google it to see what you're specifically saying.

In some ways, I might be an example of someone who is "privileged blind", but not naive of the connotations and associations of such words. There are plenty of things I say around some people and not others, but it's typically reverse from what a lot of others might be used to because I'm often a minority within a group, so I use speech that others might view as derogatory or racist even, but I mean nothing by it because it's "common" in the circles I run with. So whilst I'm not "blind" to the idea that some words and phrases shouldn't be used around some people, I also might be "privileged" to the fact that I'm continually surrounded in environments where words have different meanings and are okay for me to use and no one views me as offensive because I use them. In fact the opposite is true. And again ... it's not because I'm "blissfully ignorant" of how those typically associated with such words and slurs would view it ... because those are the very people I'm surrounded by, friends with, work with, etc. I usually watch my mouth around my own "race" when I don't know them because they do take the most offense interestingly enough, or they might use the terms in derogatory manners which I don't encourage or usually tolerate.
 
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