Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Chris_Halkides]

Roger that

smkovalinksy,

A quick google search does indeed show that the soccer player in question, Roger Levesque, has or had a moustache.
EDT
Given Ms. Knox's interest in soccer, it is perhaps not surprising that she would choose a soccer-themed costume. All the other stuff sounds like Dollar General-level psychological theorizing.

 

[Kaosium]

I just had to make one comment concerning this, for my own peace of mind:

[qimg]http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2011/10/1031_amanda_knox_INF_10_full.jpg[/qimg]



Am incredibly busy after 3 days without power from a snow storm here, and cannot read the posts, but when I mentioned it on Websleuths, Rolfe replied:


The temptation for certain others to view this as a hidden, unconscious confession on Knox's part- deliberately recalling the Halloween prior to MK's death, when she painted her face as a cat - Or even worse, the insane leap in the dark to it as depicting, "Yes, I was the one who staged the burglary" - a sort of mad allegory---really ought to be put to rest. I hope it will, in any case. (Of course I am referring not to anyone here, but to others at that forum of a certain notoriety...)

I figured she was trying to be a French street artist and didn't have a beret, I guess that shows what I know.

Personally I think she should have gone as a bunny, she likes bunnies going from her doodling in court, but there's bunnies that don't like her!

 

[smkovalinksy]

As someone who has created graphics for the "football" team in question I can report that the team is the Seattle Sounders, a Major League Soccer team that has significant following and energetic fan-base in the Seattle area. The idea that they would assume "cat-burglar" shows more about the prejudice of those reporting than about Amanda herself and any supposed latent projections.

The fact that this meme spread without challenge to the point that the Kerchers felt the need to condemn Amanda as insensitive for supporting a local team on a nationally recognized holiday that happens to occur a day prior to the anniversary of the death of her flatmate that she was wrongfully convicted of and later cleared of is nothing short of disgusting.

What is a burglar costume anyways? It's not like burglars have a dress code.

Also, I've seen the Edge of U2 fame dressed in black with a black wool cap before - that was the image that came to mind when I first saw the pics before noticing the scarf and moustache.

All very well stated. Thanks. ETA: And you are correct: For Mr. Kercher to condemn an acquitted girl for celebrating a holiday after 4 years of wrongful loss of freedom, is coarse and cruel. He is stirring the pot, characteristically. Unseemly.

 

[smkovalinksy]

I figured she was trying to be a French street artist and didn't have a beret, I guess that shows what I know.

Personally I think she should have gone as a bunny, she likes bunnies going from her doodling in court, but there's bunnies that don't like her!

Ha. Yes, I had thought of an artist as well! I think she should have gone in a judicial robe, with a banner which read, "Acquitted". Or as Judge Hellman....

 

[smkovalinksy]

Double post.

 

[smkovalinksy]

Excerpted from a pmf post. So there can be no doubt now, that Follain's account is adversarial...The worst part is the disinformation: "Evidence" long since refuted, which I have read in the reviews:

I've been reading John Follain's book and the additional details are devastating. The memory of the injustice that took place a few weeks ago is all the more painful on the anniversary.

I suppose this is a preparation for the SC hearing...

 

[Dougm]

Also shows that she was found guilty of accusing an innocent man of murder and rightfully served 3 years in prison for that crime.

Doesn't it ??

BTW
What does her having a STD, herpes, have to do with Judge Hellman's rulings proving anybody or anything as being "wrong" ??

The fact that anyone is criticising Amanda for dressing up as a soccer player for Halloween just shows the lameness of the arguments against her, and how they have no basis. And throwing in a comment about herpes just lowers the argument to a pathetic personal attack, which is all there is left.

A question. If the appeals court verdict is confirmed by the Supreme Court, and Knox and Sollecito are officially considered not guilty of the murder, what will the charges against her by Lumumba and his attorney represent? If it was so horrible to accuse an innocent man for murder, what are they doing?

 

[Antony]

4 years on from the tragedy, and the strange people at PMF celebrate it by gloating over some footage snatched through the windows of a self-defence class Amanda was apparently attending.

The case seems just as murky and polarised as ever. What chance is there that in another 12 months time there will have been any progress in putting the record straight? No doubt the Hellmann report will be a big resource (also we'll see if he's able to justify the callunia conviction), but will there be any kind of inquiry into the whole shambles of the investigation?

 

[smkovalinksy]

It figures---what an incendiary headline from that rag, the Daily Mail:

Free to party: Amanda Knox dresses as cat burglar for Halloween bash on the fourth anniversary of Meredith's murder

And look how they conveniently do not say how Hellman decreed the simulation never occurred at all, by anyone's hand:

Knox was originally convicted of simulating a burglary in the aftermath of Meredith's murder on November 1, 2007.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...niversary-Merediths-murder.html#ixzz1cUDUcflv

 

[smkovalinksy]

4 years on from the tragedy, and the strange people at PMF celebrate it by gloating over some footage snatched through the windows of a self-defence class Amanda was apparently attending.

The case seems just as murky and polarised as ever. What chance is there that in another 12 months time there will have been any progress in putting the record straight? No doubt the Hellmann report will be a big resource (also we'll see if he's able to justify the callunia conviction), but will there be any kind of inquiry into the whole shambles of the investigation?

You are right: The case is as polarized as ever, and no, even if the SC upholds Hellman and his motivation, things will not change. It is obvious at this juncture.

 

[Grinder]

A good starting place for determining motivation is the effect. Rudy Guede is rarely discussed. The Kerchers should be screaming at the police for letting Guede go after arresting him several times in the preceding months. The prosecutor didn't fight the sentence reduction.

Why?

To keep th focus off Guede.

Why?

I think he was an informant who got away with crimes that would have landed others in prison. Knox was a diversion. Had she not been so incredibly photogenic, it wouldn't have gotten so out of hand.

Such a shame.

How can this not mean that you think they framed Amanda. If she was really guilty it could hardly be called a diversion.

 

[Dougm]

4 years on from the tragedy, and the strange people at PMF celebrate it by gloating over some footage snatched through the windows of a self-defence class Amanda was apparently attending.

The case seems just as murky and polarised as ever. What chance is there that in another 12 months time there will have been any progress in putting the record straight? No doubt the Hellmann report will be a big resource (also we'll see if he's able to justify the callunia conviction), but will there be any kind of inquiry into the whole shambles of the investigation?

Somehow it seems logical to them to continue to persecute an innocent woman, and keep this story going, which only prolongs the confusion and pain for the Kercher family, who they claim to support. Gee, let's find spy pictures of Amanda Knox, post them on our site, then claim she should not be showing herself off in public!

Anyone with two brain cells can see the twisted logic. She's trying to return to some semblance of normal life, which she is legally entitled to do per the court.

 

[snook1]

I'm sure snook meant no harm. There are going to be pictures of her out and about. It's a catch-22 because supporters wanted and needed to draw attention to the case and now that there's a substantial number of people who have become actively involved and/or followed the case it's a bit hard to do an about-face and turn off the interest. While I agree we shouldn't post links to tabloid pictures for the reasons you stated, I'm sure it was not done maliciously.

Of course, it wasn't done maliciously. I was more than happy to see her enjoying life. But as I've said earlier, I apologize and I won't post anything like this again.

 

[Didaktylos]

It figures---what an incendiary headline from that rag, the Daily Mail:

And look how they conveniently do not say how Hellman decreed the simulation never occurred at all, by anyone's hand:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...niversary-Merediths-murder.html#ixzz1cUDUcflv

[qimg]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/01/article-0-0E9CE1CE00000578-371_634x547.jpg[/qimg]

Interestingly enough, the majority of comments to that article were pro-Amanda. Methinks Kercher may well have overplayed his hand.

 

[Not Scooby]

How can this not mean that you think they framed Amanda. If she was really guilty it could hardly be called a diversion.

You introduced the term "frame" into the discussion. I emphatically disavowed the term and tried to clarify. It is your turn to clarify what it means to you.

The goal of a diversion is to get people to look someplace other than where you don't want them to look. I worked backwards from the effect, which is that Guede was rarely discussed and little fuss was made about the fact that had he been charged in the prior weeks, Meredith would be alive. They could have pointed to a one-armed pirate. They got lucky with Knox and their incompetence kept it going.

 

[smkovalinksy]

Interestingly enough, the majority of comments to that article were pro-Amanda. Methinks Kercher may well have overplayed his hand.

I think you are right!

 

[Antony]

Interestingly enough, the majority of comments to that article were pro-Amanda. Methinks Kercher may well have overplayed his hand.

Also very striking that the landscape of the red and green arrows has been spectacularly reversed: now it's the anti-Amanda comments that get huge red scores and the "leave the innocent girl alone!" ones that get massive green counts.

 

[smkovalinksy]

Also very striking that the landscape of the red and green arrows has been spectacularly reversed: now it's the anti-Amanda comments that get huge red scores and the "leave the innocent girl alone!" ones that get massive green counts.

I suppose some people are capable of smartening up, after all.

 

[Rolfe]

Interestingly enough, the majority of comments to that article were pro-Amanda. Methinks Kercher may well have overplayed his hand.

Look at the pattern of the "likes" as well....

Oops, already noted....

Rolfe.

 

[Kaosium]

Interestingly enough, the majority of comments to that article were pro-Amanda. Methinks Kercher may well have overplayed his hand.

I noticed that as well, let us hope that means the Mail won't be eliciting comments from him in the future. Quite frankly he's said--and done--enough about Amanda Knox, and I for one hope the movie doesn't even show the murder, that's not really what Amanda's story is about. It's about her and Raffaele and the corrupt, incompetent police in Perugia, the deluded prosecutor, the byzantine court system, and the tabloid trash media and Italian paparazzi which incensed the mob, all of whom judged her and found her guilty of basically everything without a trial.

There's plenty there to work with to make for a good movie. Then I'm sure there will be wails from certain quarters that it's 'forgetting the victim.' In the trial of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, they were the victims of all of the above; Meredith Kercher was the victim of Rudy Guede and her family and friends were also the victims of the above, Considering their conduct it would be a boon to them to put as little as possible of that in the movie...