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Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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If Amanda had made a big public deal about going out the night before Halloween, perhaps there would be legitimate criticism. That she went out and somebody took pictures should not be held against her.

It is ironic that tabloid type publications are putting this stuff out and people that have enjoyed their coverage of the case are now so negative about them publishing these pictures.
 
From the Massei report
http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/TheMasseiReport.pdf

I have seen it described as a palm print other places. I hadn't thought about it before but is it routine to be able to get a useable palm print in blood off of a pillow case?

This is a portion of the fingerprint map presented by the police. It shows the usable prints, attributed as well as unknown. Guede's is listed in the location that the palm print would be (Fr B).
 

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Surely your excellent catalogue of easily accessed facts about the case

What difference does it make? She can go to a Haloween party wearing whatever she wants. She is innocent of theft, innocent of staging a crime scene. Life goes on, made difficult for her by the tabloids that nitpick every pic.

If it were me, I would go as a witch complete with hat and mop. Show your defiance.

Here is the opinion from an Italian blogger commenting on the stress in the British press.

http://translate.googleusercontent....empre/&usg=ALkJrhgqixQ43k_rdC0OTpzqEP-DafmwcQ

Also shows that she was found guilty of accusing an innocent man of murder and rightfully served 3 years in prison for that crime.

Doesn't it ??

BTW
What does her having a STD, herpes, have to do with Judge Hellman's rulings proving anybody or anything as being "wrong" ??
 
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If Amanda had made a big public deal about going out the night before Halloween, perhaps there would be legitimate criticism. That she went out and somebody took pictures should not be held against her.

It is ironic that tabloid type publications are putting this stuff out and people that have enjoyed their coverage of the case are now so negative about them publishing these pictures.

The tabloids created her and then exploited that image for profit. It is in their best interests to keep the image alive so they can continue to collect on their investment. It makes no difference what Amanda does with her life going forward, the tabloids will continue to twist and manipulate it until they no longer see a value in doing so.
 
Also shows that she was found guilty of accusing an innocent man of murder and rightfully served 3 years in prison for that crime.

Doesn't it ??

BTW
What does her having a STD, herpes, have to do with Judge Hellman's rulings proving anybody or anything as being "wrong" ??


Huh?
 
Also shows that she was found guilty of accusing an innocent man of murder and rightfully served 3 years in prison for that crime.

Doesn't it ??

BTW
What does her having a STD, herpes, have to do with Judge Hellman's rulings proving anybody or anything as being "wrong" ??

What kind of Halloween costume would represent calumnia, pilot?

She had a cold sore. There is a difference between HSV-1 and HSV-2.
 
Read much or comprehend what you read ??

BTW
What does her having a STD, herpes, have to do with Judge Hellman's rulings proving anybody or anything as being "wrong" ??


Read much ???

just a very few very short posts upthread ..........

Hellmann said you're wrong.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7720032#post7720032

HUH ??

Or is it the obvious and overused tactic when arguing here.....
If you have no reasonable rebuttal.....
just say you cannot understand the original argument.
 
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HUH ??

Or is it the obvious and overused tactic when arguing here.....
If you have no reasonable rebuttal.....
just say you cannot understand the original argument.

There was no original "argument" to rebut. Anyway, Hellmann says she didn't do it. So who cares.
 
What am I missing here?

Statement from Mr. Kercher:



http://global.christianpost.com/new...y-of-kerchers-death-attacked-by-father-59994/

I think it is very insensitive of Mr. Kercher to be attacking an innocent girl for going to a party.
RoseMontague,

The anniversary of Meredith's death is November 1st, not Halloween (October 31st). If Amanda went to a Halloween party, it would not be on the same date. That having been said, if Amanda went to an All Saints' Day party (everybody sings Vaughn Williams' Sine Nomine at the ones I have attended), I still don't see it as being somehow disrespectful. I wish everyone were on the same page of the hymnal on this question.
 
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RoseMontague,

The anniversary of Meredith's death is November 1st, not Halloween (October 31st). If Amanda went to a Halloween party, it would not be on the same date. That having been said, if Amanda went to an All Saints' Day party (everybody sings Vaughn Williams' Sine Nomine at the ones I have attended), I still don't see it as being somehow disrespectful. I wish everyone were on the same page of the hymnal on this question.

Yes,
The disco buses can clearly be seen in the background of that photo.
 
Grinder - I never used the word framed. I said that it was a diversion that got out of hand for several reasons. There was too little evidence for framing. OJ was unnecessarily framed (because he also did it), which is why there was overwhelming evidence of guilt (they should have stopped at merely very convincing).

Guede hung out for two days, which is consistent with perceived impunity. I asked about prints because they obviously had his on file. How long did it take to ID his? Were there no other prints besides the glaring palm print that couldn't be ignored, unlike ordinary prints that can be easily ignored? The defense wouldn't care much so long as none pointed their way.

Sounds to me word got to Guede to skedaddle. When he screwed up and got caught, they played it down by adding him as a fourth. Why? Because a petty criminal informant released after being caught burgling with a deadly weapon then days later murdering someone with said weapon during burglary is a sensational story. They needed something more sensational, so they let the dogs run free.
 
I went to the opera last week. Everybody's at it, it seems.

La calunnia è un venticello
un’auretta assai gentile
che insensibile, sottile,
leggermente, dolcemente,
incomincia a sussurrar.

Piano piano, terra terra,
sotto voce, sibillando,
va scorrendo, va ronzando;
nelle orecchie della gente
s’introduce destramente,
e le teste ed i cervelli
fa stordire e fa gonfiar.

Dalla bocca fuori uscendo,
lo schiamazzo va crescendo:
prende forza a poco a poco,
scorre già di loco in loco.
Sembra il tuono, la tempesta
che nel sen della foresta,
va fischiando, brontolando,
e ti fa d’orror gelar.

Alla fin trabocca e scoppia,
si propaga si raddoppia
e produce un’esplosione
come un colpo di cannone,
un tremuoto, un temporale,
un tumulto generale
che fa l’aria rimbombar.

E il meschino calunniato,
avvilito, calpestato,
sotto il pubblico flagello
per gran sorte va a crepar.


Rolfe.
 
I just had to make one comment concerning this, for my own peace of mind:

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Am incredibly busy after 3 days without power from a snow storm here, and cannot read the posts, but when I mentioned it on Websleuths, Rolfe replied:
According to someone on the JREF forum, she is dressed as a Seattle footballer called Roger Levesque, who sports a distinctive curly moustache. The scarf is the scarf of his football team. (I'm assuming it's football, some colonial sport anyway.)

The temptation for certain others to view this as a hidden, unconscious confession on Knox's part- deliberately recalling the Halloween prior to MK's death, when she painted her face as a cat - Or even worse, the insane leap in the dark to it as depicting, "Yes, I was the one who staged the burglary" - a sort of mad allegory---really ought to be put to rest. I hope it will, in any case. (Of course I am referring not to anyone here, but to others at that forum of a certain notoriety...) :(
 
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I just had to make one comment concerning this, for my own peace of mind:



Am incredibly busy after 3 days without power from a snow storm here, and cannot read the posts, but when I mentioned it on Websleuths, Rolfe replied:


The temptation for certain others to view this as a hidden, unconscious confession on Knox's part- deliberately recalling the Halloween prior to MK's death, when she painted her face as a cat - Or even worse, the insane leap in the dark to it as depicting, "Yes, I was the one who staged the burglary" - a sort of mad allegory---really ought to be put to rest. I hope it will, in any case. (Of course I am referring not to anyone here, but to others at that forum of a certain notoriety...) :(

As someone who has created graphics for the "football" team in question I can report that the team is the Seattle Sounders, a Major League Soccer team that has significant following and energetic fan-base in the Seattle area. The idea that they would assume "cat-burglar" shows more about the prejudice of those reporting than about Amanda herself and any supposed latent projections.

The fact that this meme spread without challenge to the point that the Kerchers felt the need to condemn Amanda as insensitive for supporting a local team on a nationally recognized holiday that happens to occur a day prior to the anniversary of the death of her flatmate that she was wrongfully convicted of and later cleared of is nothing short of disgusting.

What is a burglar costume anyways? It's not like burglars have a dress code.

Also, I've seen the Edge of U2 fame dressed in black with a black wool cap before - that was the image that came to mind when I first saw the pics before noticing the scarf and moustache.
 
Thanks for the responses Kaosium. It seems like there's enough wiggle room in the facts surrounding this that one can see the situation as Guede got a deal associated with for turning on RS/AK or for some other reason not publically described or Guede just had good lawyers that got him a good but routine deal through no actions of his own other than the ones publically described.

Could be another thing we will never know the truth about. But I don't see him writing that letter on his own naming RS/AK without some kind of quid pro quo and right now that seems like the most likely story to me.

It is kind of an amazing leap that he was convicted of rape and murder and he seems to have gotten a mitigated sentence for saying he was sorry he hadn't done more to stop it. You'd think a prosecutor might have something to say about that unless he had a reason for not challenging it that he didn't release to the public.

I think your last paragraph is the key, and there's where it segues into something I don't know for sure: could there be separate 'truths' between Guede's Court and Raffaele's and Amanda's? In other words could they have hammered Guede for being the sole killer, or at least the one most responsible, at the same time (or a little afterward actually) they went for Raffaele and Amanda as being involved as well?

My guess is yes there could have been, at the very least they could have pushed for Guede to take responsibility for the evidence against him, notably that he must have been the one most involved in the killing part. That's what they didn't do, they allowed him the fantasy he was just there, but the way it worked out the Michaeli court condemned him for the murder with the possibility others were involved, whereas the Hellmann Court decided that if there were any others they weren't Raffaele and Amanda.

It still remains to be seen if that court will decide the evidence suggests it was just Guede, my guess is they won't, they'll pretend it was Guede with possibly others, and use Alessi's story as 'datum' as to who it could be, much like Rudy's SC conviction included the 'I was there' bit from the tapped conversation between Amanda and her parents--it was otherwise meaningless except as a data point they could plug into that part of the Motivations as an indication perhaps others were involved.

Personally my suspicion is this is a 'loophole' created by Mignini. By insisting on prosecuting three people for a crime highly likely to have been perpetrated by one, he had to create the 'evidence' that would be accepted by the court to open up the possibility others were involved. In Rudy's trial, he kinda crow-barred open the Court's 'truth,' though it didn't actually mean anything outside he had that loophole now and could tell the press insipid things like Rudy's SC Motivations could somehow also condemn Raffaele and Amanda. That never made sense to me, and perhaps I spent too much time thinking on it compared to most, but I suspect it was a clue to how this system works and what Mignini was up to.

There had to be a reason for him doing that, and it was picked up by the press and also the victim's family who now apparently are convinced the courts definitely decided more than one person was involved. It also served to misdirect people from noticing he could have insisted Rudy get the maximum sentence allowable under Italian law, and also potentially create the sense of impending doom for the appeal of Amanda and Raffaele in the press which was wholly fabricated and as we now know completely untrue.

My inclination is that there very well could have been 'separate truths' and that Mignini could have seen to it that Rudy Guede was prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and it was Maresca's job to see to it that happened. However they didn't do that mainly to keep alive the fantasy that Mignini's 'theory' was still true, that it was all instigated by Amanda and she was the most to blame.
 
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