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Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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A good starting place for determining motivation is the effect. Rudy Guede is rarely discussed. The Kerchers should be screaming at the police for letting Guede go after arresting him several times in the preceding months. The prosecutor didn't fight the sentence reduction.

Why?

To keep th focus off Guede.

Why?

I think he was an informant who got away with crimes that would have landed others in prison. Knox was a diversion. Had she not been so incredibly photogenic, it wouldn't have gotten so out of hand.

Such a shame.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but the keys that Giacomo gave to Meredith were found in Amanda's bedroom, weren't they?

Hi RW!,

Consider yourself corrected. :) They were not found in Amanda's room. They were never found. I assume the keys were Amanda's for something belonging to her.

Draca
 
2. The downstairs apt. There was blood on the light swich. Do we really know this was cats blood or could it be yet another forensic error?

This has always bothered me. What is the source of this information that we have "cat's blood"?
 
A good starting place for determining motivation is the effect. Rudy Guede is rarely discussed. The Kerchers should be screaming at the police for letting Guede go after arresting him several times in the preceding months. The prosecutor didn't fight the sentence reduction.

Why?

To keep th focus off Guede.

Why?

I think he was an informant who got away with crimes that would have landed others in prison. Knox was a diversion. Had she not been so incredibly photogenic, it wouldn't have gotten so out of hand.

Such a shame.

When in doubt fight the idea of conspiracy and go with incompetency. It is harder for me to believe the PLE were able to pull off this much of conspiracy without someone ****** up and spilling the beans.

I don't believe that Rudy was arrested many times if at all. He was not arrested in Milan IIRC but a report was written. Remember Curatolo was not prosecuted for heroin dealing until 3 years later. It seems ILE let's things hang for a while.
 
antibodies

This has always bothered me. What is the source of this information that we have "cat's blood"?
Diocletus,

Feline blood would be negative in an antibody-based test for human blood, and vice versa. Antibodies are species-specific. My memory is fuzzy, but either Stefanoni used a confirmatory test for human blood and it was negative, or (less likely) she did a test for feline blood and it was positive. Feline blood would be positive by presumptive blood tests, as I mentioned a few days ago. Sorry that I cannot be more definite.
ETA
The link I provided has a small error. It says that in the precipitin test, blood clots. The precipitation (clumping together) of an antibody and an antigen in a precipitin test is not the same thing as clotting, which involves a cascade of proteolysis reactions, culminating in fibrinogen becoming fibrin. Nevertheless, I think that this is a good article for a general science audience.
ETA 2
Every time I think about antibodies, I think of Star Trek:

KIRK: This thing, this cell, this virus. It's eleven thousand miles long, and it's one cell. When it grows into millions, we'll be the virus invading its body.
MCCOY: Now, isn't that a thought? Here we are, antibodies of our own galaxy, attacking an invading germ. It would be ironic indeed if that were our sole destiny, wouldn't it?
KIRK: Antibodies. Antibodies. (goes to desk monitor) Bridge.
SCOTT [OC]: Scott here, sir.
KIRK: Scotty, how much power do we have left?
 
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Hi RW!,

Consider yourself corrected. :) They were not found in Amanda's room. They were never found. I assume the keys were Amanda's for something belonging to her.

Draca
R-Wright!!!
Thank you, thank you, thank you for the info Draca!

Here's a question for someone knowledgable about computers. I watch video on my laptop at night, which sits on a table by my bed. My laptop is a Sony, bought in Dec. 2006. While watching the movie Halloween last night, I noticed that the arrow pointer would periodically just light up for no apparrent reason during the whole movie as this particular movie played. I've seen this happen before also, but only on a few certain movies, and had thought it odd.

I recall that Raffaele was supposedly interacting with his computer somehow the night Miss Kercher died. Something about a keyboard light log that recorded activity on his Mac. Would playing a movie, or heck, possibly even a CD and having the pointy arrow turn on and off every few seconds show up as interaction on the keyboard light log too?

Thanks for any answers,
R.Wright
 
R-Wright!!!
Here's a question for someone knowledgable about computers. I watch video on my laptop at night, which sits on a table by my bed. My laptop is a Sony, bought in Dec. 2006. While watching the movie Halloween last night, I noticed that the arrow pointer would periodically just light up for no apparrent reason during the whole movie as this particular movie played. I've seen this happen before also, but only on a few certain movies, and had thought it odd.


In just a quick check, it appears that the sony trackpads are sometimes rather flakey and act strange. Raffaele didn't have this problem because he had a MacBook Pro from Apple.

The backlit keyboard on the Pro only comes on when the keyboard is being used and it is too dark to otherwise see the keys. Though the lighting conditions can change due to the illumination from the screen while a movie is playing, you have to physically be typing on the keyboard to keep the backlight on or it will go off after a preset interval.
 
I for one, think the police down played the drug activity going on downstairs for tourism,and the media frenzy building around the case. They said there wasn't many plants in the apartment when they entered. I say .. So what, the rest was cut and sold already.
I also think Rudy was the middle man who bought it from them and split it up into smaller portions and was dealing it to Koko in the front yard on a regular basis. He could see the road and tell if a bust was coming with ample options to run without being caught. Plus he doesnt have to walk around with the dope on him.

I also think he stocked up before the boys left town but still prefered to make his transactions with Koko in the safety of the girls front yard. Explains Merideth seeing him there before.
While waiting for Koko to arrive, what would a cat burglar think of while passing time? Especialy the night of the murder when he's sat there for some time and realized the girls lights are out,and they haven't been home for some time, boys downstairs not home. There may never be a chance like this again.

After making the transaction,and Koko leaves Rudy went for it.

However Koko learns his car was spotted and doesn't want to be a suspect for the murder so he lawyers up and tells the police he was there to meet Rudy,and then he left. The police cover it up so as not to tie the local drug deal into the foreign girls murder or because they have already sprung another story and don't want it known that there is a witness who can put Rudy at the cottage by himself.

Koko's presence is valuable ... To the Kerchers, if you know what I mean !
 
When in doubt fight the idea of conspiracy and go with incompetency. It is harder for me to believe the PLE were able to pull off this much of conspiracy without someone ****** up and spilling the beans.

I don't believe that Rudy was arrested many times if at all. He was not arrested in Milan IIRC but a report was written. Remember Curatolo was not prosecuted for heroin dealing until 3 years later. It seems ILE let's things hang for a while.

No grand conspiracy needed - just an impetus to set the dogs down the wrong trail at the start. A perfect storm of incompetence, saving face, sexual titillation and media interest did the rest, and there is ample evidence of all those components. It was a diversion that got out of hand.

If Guede was not arrested, that is evidence supporting the informant theory. Pressing charges for those other crimes would rebut the informant theory.!
 
No grand conspiracy needed - just an impetus to set the dogs down the wrong trail at the start. A perfect storm of incompetence, saving face, sexual titillation and media interest did the rest, and there is ample evidence of all those components. It was a diversion that got out of hand.

If Guede was not arrested, that is evidence supporting the informant theory. Pressing charges for those other crimes would rebut the informant theory.!

Welcome to the forum Not Scooby. I particularly appreciate new members who make posts that I am completely in agreement with. Well done. :)
 
2 cents about privacy

Amanda dressed up for Halloween!:)

The rest is here:
http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/amanda_knox_halloween_costume#tab=most_recent&id=102971

Good to see her!

IIRC Knox family humbly asked for some privacy. By linking to the tabloid trash sites you not only let the tabloids cash in, you also give the paparazzi they hired to stalk her a financial incentive to do so even more. Just my opinion.

I think that posting such photos here is not cool, too. In fact rather creepy, PMF style. Knox didn't ask to be a public person, nor does she seek publicity now. I don't think she'll be happy about some stalker's pics being reposted all over the web.
 
IIRC Knox family humbly asked for some privacy. By linking to the tabloid trash sites you not only let the tabloids cash in, you also give the paparazzi they hired to stalk her a financial incentive to do so even more. Just my opinion.

I think that posting such photos here is not cool, too. In fact rather creepy, PMF style. Knox didn't ask to be a public person, nor does she seek publicity now. I don't think she'll be happy about some stalker's pics being reposted all over the web.
FWIW, I agree completely with the above. I clicked on the pictures because I thought they had something to do with the case. Until Knox shows some interest in being a public person I think she deserves to be left alone.
 
I had a look at PMF today, PG's site, and saw mention once again of Raffaele's animal porn collection. Since I did not attend court in Perugia while the 1st trial was happening, nor did Stilicho and others at PMF, please allow me to share a post from a guy who did, for it might help shed a little light on the matter.

In a posting by Frank Sfarzo there is this:
Friday, March 27, 2009
The Rule of Suspicion
BESTIALITY

Raffaele was guest in the college owned by the medical doctors association, an institution which was established in Perugia in 19th century, a place for having a good education. In his room he had DVDs with erotic scenes (Jesus, sex!). And even scenes of sexual intercourse of women with animals and of Marilyn Manson (perversion!). And as a sport he was doing kickboxing (violence!).
The educator chief and Raffaele's companions spoke, during the investigation, of many of those DVDs with many of those scenes. They spoke of a boy closed in himself, who wasn't communicating with the others and once was caught smoking even in the college.
If all this was true what would it have to do with the murder? Would you be a more possible murderer if you watch porn movies, if you smoke joints, if you don't communicate with the others or if you do a fight sport like kickboxing, fencing or wrestling? The problem is that it came out that all this is not even really true since the witnesses today wouldn't completely recognize what they signed in the minutes of the investigation. And it came out that yes, Raffaele was shy and reserved at the beginning --as hundreds of other students, according to the educator chief-- but he was also very respectful and quite, and after two years of that college, his communications skills were definitely improved.
The kickboxing hobby was confirmed but the drug incident turned to be just a joint or maybe a cigarette involving several guests of the college, not only Raffaele.
The endless collection of porn, bestiality and Marilyn Manson's videos turned to be just some scenes in a whole library (only one with an animal) attributable not to a vice but to a natural juvenile curiosity, as the educator chief defined it today.In other words, nothing important. I had the honor of attending the same campus and I can guarantee that these things are taken very seriously there, and if they understand that you really are a drug or porn addict the less that may happen to you is to be immediately enrolled in a recovery program and to face very unpleasant sanctions. And if you resist to the treatment or you don't accept the punishment you would be kicked out, no matter how much you pay per year.
In other words all the suspicious behavior of Raffaele, from today's testimonies, turned to be nothing at all.

Link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20101015182429/http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html


Hmmm, all along I had been under the assumption that Raffaele had an animal porn collection, ya know, a bunch of different hardcore DVD's of bestiality. But Sfarzo reports that it was 1 DVD. That's it? And some Marilyn Manson too? Shocking!!! :jaw-dropp

What a freak.
Not...
RW


PS - Last night, right before I left from the beach,
a fellow surfer gave me a present, a bitchin' bottle of blue spirits.
Called Bombay Saphire Distilled London Dry Gin, you know I was gonna try it.
Man, a few good hard shots of that and my mind started wonderin'...
Forgive me if I sometimes ask off-the-wall questions and run off on a tangent, for I don't profess to know everything in this murder we discuss and I am allowed to be wrong, since I am not Italian law enforcement. :D
Peace, RW
 
No grand conspiracy needed - just an impetus to set the dogs down the wrong trail at the start. A perfect storm of incompetence, saving face, sexual titillation and media interest did the rest, and there is ample evidence of all those components. It was a diversion that got out of hand.

If Guede was not arrested, that is evidence supporting the informant theory. Pressing charges for those other crimes would rebut the informant theory.!

How many police would have known about the informant thing? How would the cops in Milan know not to arrest him for breaking and entering or possession of stolen merchandise if it was based on some informant deal.

I think the idea that all of the prosecutors, the Perugian police, the Milanian police knew about the deal with Rudy and it never leaked out is hard to buy. Do you think Stefanoni faked the results to protect Rudy?

It is possible that Rudy was an informant but highly unlikely that the ILE did a job on Amanda and Raffaele in order to hide that fact.

It appears that Curatolo would never have been charged had he not been ready to testify in the appeals. I think the ILE has shown ample evidence of incompetence, enough to explain what has happened.
 
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IIRC Knox family humbly asked for some privacy. By linking to the tabloid trash sites you not only let the tabloids cash in, you also give the paparazzi they hired to stalk her a financial incentive to do so even more. Just my opinion.

I think that posting such photos here is not cool, too. In fact rather creepy, PMF style. Knox didn't ask to be a public person, nor does she seek publicity now. I don't think she'll be happy about some stalker's pics being reposted all over the web.

She's definitely not happy about some paparazzi taking pictures and people posting it on internet boards. What convinced me to post this is my own happiness after seeing pictures like these. Amanda Knox walking down the street, in her Halloween costume, free, happy. Such a difference from what we were used to look at for the past 4 years. This joy of seeing her like that was stronger that these few cents that the tabloids will make after that so called "story". But I do apologize.
 
She's definitely not happy about some paparazzi taking pictures and people posting it on internet boards. What convinced me to post this is my own happiness after seeing pictures like these. Amanda Knox walking down the street, in her Halloween costume, free, happy. Such a difference from what we were used to look at for the past 4 years. This joy of seeing her like that was stronger that these few cents that the tabloids will make after that so called "story". But I do apologize.

No worries snook1, I would have posted it had I seen it earlier as well. I had not considered what has been pointed out and I think it would be a good policy to refrain from this in the future.
 
How many police would have known about the informant thing? How would the cops in Milan know not to arrest him for breaking and entering or possession of stolen merchandise if it was based on some informant deal.

I think the idea that all of the prosecutors, the Perugian police, the Milanian police knew about the deal with Rudy and it never leaked out is hard to buy. Do you think Stefanoni faked the results to protect Rudy?

It is possible that Rudy was an informant but highly unlikely that the ILE did a job on Amanda and Raffaele in order to hide that fact.

It appears that Curatolo would never have been charged had he not been ready to testify in the appeals. I think the ILE has shown ample evidence of incompetence, enough to explain what has happened.

I think I may not have interpreted Not Scooby's post correctly. I don't have much of an opinion on the issue of whether Guede was a police informant or not. Your argument that you think that would have been made public by now seems good but not compelling. A big chunk of the police force must have realized that RS/AK were innocent and yet nary a peep. Police stick together the world over and if anybody could keep secret the fact that Guede was an informant it would be the police, especially since the number of police that knew could be a very small number.

I took Not Scooby's post to suggest the opposite about Stefanoni's results, just pushing stuff to get the results she wanted and believed in. Not actual intentional fraud, especially as part of a larger conspiracy.
 
How many police would have known about the informant thing? How would the cops in Milan know not to arrest him for breaking and entering or possession of stolen merchandise if it was based on some informant deal.

I think the idea that all of the prosecutors, the Perugian police, the Milanian police knew about the deal with Rudy and it never leaked out is hard to buy. Do you think Stefanoni faked the results to protect Rudy?

It is possible that Rudy was an informant but highly unlikely that the ILE did a job on Amanda and Raffaele in order to hide that fact.

It appears that Curatolo would never have been charged had he not been ready to testify in the appeals. I think the ILE has shown ample evidence of incompetence, enough to explain what has happened.

How many informants can you name? The police have tons of them. It is most definitely not in their best interest to reveal them. Ever. Not only will it put a life at risk, it will jeopardize every informant relationship they have. In this case it would make them look really bad. You cannot draw any conclusion from the lack of a leak. That is the type of thinking that made this case drag on.

As for Milan, don't you think they checked him out? AFAIK they shipped him back to Perugia, which is consistent with him being an informant. He could have been an informant there or even one at some higher level. It is mighty coincidental that both departments let him walk. Not charging someone is not incompetence - it's a choice.

Incompetence also does not explain why his reduced sentence was not contested. The evidence indicates more than jus incompetence.
 
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