JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

[Walter Ego]

Yep, pretty sure that's the same Jack White. The self-described "photo expert". He's also got some charming work on the Pentagon,and Apollo Hoax, I believe. Funny how that puff piece in your link doesn't describe his embarassing testimony in front of the Warren Commission - on the topic of the backyard photos, which is why I alluded to him.

(He's often cited as the grand poobah of photographic evidence and is a complete charlatan in that area, but conspiradroids love him.)

White is mentioned on this page along with some of other bogus JFK photographic "experts." My favorite "expert" is Robert Groden who was riding high in the 1970s doing campus tours with Dick Gregory screening his bootleg copy of the Zapruder film.

Groden was blown out of the water during the O.J. Simpson trial where he testified that a photo of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes was faked. The prosecutors produced thirty other photos by different photographers showing Simpson wearing the same shoes and totally exposed Groden's compete lack of qualifications and experience as any kind of "expert."

Groden currently makes his living peddling JFK conspiracy literature in Dealey Plaza. How the mighty have fallen!

 

[Kaosium]

You mean this Jack White?




Teddy Kennedy and Richard Nixon? The conspirators sure took their sweet time "eliminating" them. I guess that's why "eliminated" is in scare quotes. And Robert Prey is upset that I called people like this "kooktards"?

The idea must be that Teddy Kennedy was 'removed' as a viable presidential candidate as a result of Chappaquiddick and Nixon forced from office due to Watergate, thus 'eliminated' from power.

I guess they must think someone ran Teddy off the road or exposed it when it could have stayed hidden?

At this point this 'cabal' must control about everything, I think there's one conspiracy we can prove. Humans did it! The human race is conspiring against itself! Why has no one else discovered this? They're everywhere I tell you!

 

[Robert Prey]

That's a loaded question - and you know it. There's no single piece of "strongest evidence". Put everything together, though - for the conspiracy believers or for the adherents of the single assassin, and the gestalt of anyone viewing the evidence without bias would fall to the side of the lone gunman.


Although I'm always still a bit suspicious as to why the Warren Commission didn't uncover anything on the former club connections between Ruby and Oswald.
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There is nothing loaded about it at all. If you had a single piece of your BEST evidence, you would cite it. Thus, just like all the rest, you've failed the challenge.

 

[Robert Prey]

Oswald's Ghost

The backyard photographs.

Admittedly you cannot deduce from that that he was the lone assassin but in the absence of evidence that there were other assassins that seems to be the best thing going.

No, you certainly cannot deduce from those backyard photos that LHO was the lone assassin, but upon close examination, you can deduce a carefully planned frame-up to influence the Court of Public Opinion. There is strong evidence of forgery in these photos. And although Marina originally testified that she took the photos, she subsequently changed her mind. And have you seen the backyard photo of Oswald's ghost? Very incriminating of a forgery and frame-up by the government.

 

[Chaos]

There is nothing loaded about it at all. If you had a single piece of your BEST evidence, you would cite it. Thus, just like all the rest, you've failed the challenge.

How about the absence of evidence for more than one assassin? Evidence shows one man was involved, no evidence shows that anyone else was involved, therefore the evidence shows that most likely he was the only one.

 

[Walter Ego]

There is nothing loaded about it at all. If you had a single piece of your BEST evidence, you would cite it. Thus, just like all the rest, you've failed the challenge.

So what's your single piece of BEST evidence that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK? Evidence, mind you, material or circumstantial, not suspicions or coincidences or "unanswered questions."

 

[Robert Prey]

How about the absence of evidence for more than one assassin? Evidence shows one man was involved, no evidence shows that anyone else was involved, therefore the evidence shows that most likely he was the only one.

First of all, the absence of evidence is not evidence. Nonetheless, there is a mountain of evidence that points to a conspiracy. But hundreds of books have been written on the subject and this is only a small space. I'll get to it later, only citing two pieces of evidence, for the sake of brevity.

 

[Robert Prey]

So what's your single piece of BEST evidence that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK? Evidence, mind you, material or circumstantial, not suspicions or coincidences or "unanswered questions."

I'll get to that, but I'd first like to prove that no one on this board can successfully answer my challenge. So far, three replies, but no cigar.

 

[Foolmewunz]

There is nothing loaded about it at all. If you had a single piece of your BEST evidence, you would cite it. Thus, just like all the rest, you've failed the challenge.

No one's failed your challenge because the challenge is bogus. As you'll note, I already told you I wasn't slipping into your rhetorical trap.

That's some great way to judge a case. I wonder why it hasn't caught on in the courts, yet? "Okay, the District Attorney will be allowed to present one piece of evidence - they get to choose their best single piece - but no others."

 

[Foolmewunz]

I'll get to that, but I'd first like to prove that no one on this board can successfully answer my challenge. So far, three replies, but no cigar.

Because the challenge is bogus. You're making up a rule that everyone has to adhere to and it has no place in scientific enquiry, evidenciary hearings, jurisprudence or critical thinking.

My best single piece of evidence: The Warren Commission Report - all of it.

And I think Bill Clinton might have a suggestion as to what you can do with that cigar, Robert.

 

[matt.tansy]

Here's a question I submit no one dare answer: What is the one single strongest piece of evidence proving a lone assassin?

Oswald's rifle was stored in the Paine's garage before the assassination then was found in the TSBD.

 

[angrysoba]

And although Marina originally testified that she took the photos, she subsequently changed her mind. And have you seen the backyard photo of Oswald's ghost? Very incriminating of a forgery and frame-up by the government.

Apparently Marina still stands by her story that she took the photos.

Never seen Oswald's ghost, no. What does Oswald's ghost say?

 

[Walter Ego]

I'll get to that, but I'd first like to prove that no one on this board can successfully answer my challenge. So far, three replies, but no cigar.

You are playing games here and I don't play games with conspiritoids. Your challenge is bogus. There is never one piece of evidence that convicts a defendant in a criminal case. There is abundant evidence the Oswald killed Kennedy.

I have other things to do today. I'll check back tonight to see if you can come of with ONE piece of evidence for a conspiracy.

 

[Chaos]

First of all, the absence of evidence is not evidence. Nonetheless, there is a mountain of evidence that points to a conspiracy.

The kind of mountain that is invisible to all but the true believer?

But hundreds of books have been written on the subject and this is only a small space. I'll get to it later, only citing two pieces of evidence, for the sake of brevity.

By all means, do it. We´re waiting.

 

[matt.tansy]

There is strong evidence of forgery in these photos.

You would be referring to Jack White's "analysis", of course. Jack White, the man who has repeatedly demonstrated he cannot visualize the world in three dimensions and was responsible for this unbelievable example of intellectual dishonesty: http://www.clavius.org/earthmt.html

 

[timhau]

Nonetheless, there is a mountain of evidence that points to a conspiracy.

And you can't even be bothered to show the mountaintop?

 

[I Ratant]

Yep, pretty sure that's the same Jack White. The self-described "photo expert". He's also got some charming work on the Pentagon,and Apollo Hoax, I believe. Funny how that puff piece in your link doesn't describe his embarassing testimony in front of the Warren Commission - on the topic of the backyard photos, which is why I alluded to him.

(He's often cited as the grand poobah of photographic evidence and is a complete charlatan in that area, but conspiradroids love him.)

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He is sincere.....ly deluded.
I've talked with him on the Compuserve Conspiracy forum, and he doesn't come across as a charlatan, just deluded... invincibly so.

 

[I Ratant]

Because the challenge is bogus. You're making up a rule that everyone has to adhere to and it has no place in scientific enquiry, evidenciary hearings, jurisprudence or critical thinking.

My best single piece of evidence: The Warren Commission Report - all of it.

And I think Bill Clinton might have a suggestion as to what you can do with that cigar, Robert.

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The Warren Commission Report - ALL of it !
And Posner's examination of the event.
The hundreds of fairy tales spewed out of the conspiracy sewer are just garbage. That which isn't bat-crap crazy... Weisberg, Livingstone... is only intended to make your money the CTwinky's money. Groden, Lane, Lifton..
Trask's "Pictures of the Pain" is a good source also.

 

[I Ratant]

And you can't even be bothered to show the mountaintop?

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It's in the conspiracy sewer, which is deeper than the mountain is high.

 

[I Ratant]

White is mentioned on this page along with some of other bogus JFK photographic "experts." My favorite "expert" is Robert Groden who was riding high in the 1970s doing campus tours with Dick Gregory screening his bootleg copy of the Zapruder film.

Groden was blown out of the water during the O.J. Simpson trial where he testified that a photo of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes was faked. The prosecutors produced thirty other photos by different photographers showing Simpson wearing the same shoes and totally exposed Groden's compete lack of qualifications and experience as any kind of "expert."

Groden currently makes his living peddling JFK conspiracy literature in Dealey Plaza. How the mighty have fallen!

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We were amused at Groden's "examination" of the negatives of OJ in the 'ugly ass shoes', pointing out all the places where the -color negative- had been retouched!!!!!!!
Lifton told us that Groden protested Lifton's presence in the court room, and had him removed...
I guess one liar at a time is enough for anything.