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MM explains his confusion, part 2

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Please be very specific at the level of particle physics and explain to me EXACTLY what you think physically 'reconnects'? At a zero point in a couple of magnetic field lines, there is no photon kinetic energy at that location to work with sol. No field energy, so no field 'reconnection'

No, you've been in personal denial for months because Dungey blows your claims away


Actually, it is Michael Mozina's claims that Dungey blows away:

Dungey said:
The effect of the discharge is to 'reconnect' the lines of force at a neutral point.


That's from the 1958 paper to which Michael Mozina was referring. It's the same paper whose two figures are reproduced by the experiment I've been suggesting for nearly a year. As I explained much earlier in this thread, Dungey is talking about the reconnection of magnetic field lines at the neutral point.

Michael Mozina denies that, of course, but what kind of knucklehead would deny that Dungey is talking about some kind of reconnection at the neutral point?

That's one of the few questions Michael Mozina is willing to answer:

Unfortunately I quite literally see *nothing* that might physically "reconnect" at a zero point in two magnetic field lines, even if they happen to "connect/pass through the same point" there.


Although the following passage may look like just another example of Michael Mozina expressing his contempt for mathematics, standard textbooks on electromagnetism, the book on Magnetic Reconnection by Priest and Forbes, the survey article by Yamada et al, Wikipedia's current article on magnetic reconnection, Dungey's 1958 paper, and so forth, I think he goes a long way toward formulating an interesting question:

Clinger did the same handwave and dodge thing with his so called "experiment" too. Never ONCE has he produced a published work that claims his "experiment" is an example of "magnetic reconnection". He just keep asserting his BS claims as FACT, and nobody but me busts his chops about the fact he's produced NOTHING to support his ridiculous claim.
With all of the knowledgeable people who've been participating in this and related threads, including several professional physicists, the interesting question is:

Why is Michael Mozina the only one who's busting my chops?​

I've seen creationists "handwave" a false claim into a conversation before. Typically when I confront them over the fact that no published work supports their handwave of a claim, they "back off". If I can DEMONSTRATE their claim is false...they almost ALWAYS run and hide.


Those cowards fool nobody. As sol invictus wrote:

I asked you a simple question about magnetic field lines, and you flat-out refuse to answer it. That's despite the fact that you repeatedly posted Gauss' law for magnetism, apparently under the belief that it forbids magnetic field lines from reconnecting - but you won't even confirm or deny that.
 
FYI, you're *AT LEAST* 25 years behind the Russians. :)

http://ruspace.blogspot.com/2009/07/space-welding-anniversary.html
FYI you canot read: Michael Mozina: Google Scholar articles on electrical discharges within plasma?
Not blog entries.

Interesting blog article though.
FYI, space is a good vacuum and good vacuum are ... dielectric media!
Shielded metal arc welding can be used in space because it introduces a consumable electrode whose melted component is the dielectric medium the breaks down and sustains the arc.

Welding
Shielded metal arc welding is also often used in underwater welding in the construction and repair of ships, offshore platforms, and pipelines, but others, such as flux cored arc welding and gas tungsten arc welding, are also common. Welding in space is also possible—it was first attempted in 1969 by Russian cosmonauts, when they performed experiments to test shielded metal arc welding, plasma arc welding, and electron beam welding in a depressurized environment.
You will probably get all gooey-eyed about plasma arc welding but this is an arc of plasma, not an electrical discharge through plasma.
And of course, electron beam welding uses an ... electron beam :jaw-dropp !
 
It's not semantics, it's physics! The actual way that you're turning magnetic field energy into particle kinetic energy is via INDUCTION, not "reconnection". Induction already has a proper scientific name.

No it is not *INDUCTION* that is accelerating the plasma in magnetic reconnection it is the release of the magnetic tension.

Quite obviously MM has no idea whatsoever how the processes of reconnection work, as he wants things to happen on to slow time scales (induction) and wants to accelerate the plasma in the wrong direction (double layers in the current sheet).

It is a hopeless discussion here, which we have to continue in order not to let newbies be drawn in by the in(s)ane ideas of MM.
 
Actually, it is Michael Mozina's claims that Dungey blows away:

Michael Mozina denies that, of course, but what kind of knucklehead would deny that Dungey is talking about some kind of reconnection at the neutral point?

That's one of the few questions Michael Mozina is willing to answer:

Wow! You personally really do not grasp basic electromagnetic theory, or the concept of particle kinetic energy. I'll try to explain this VERY clearly for you in the hope that you might follow along this time.

In sol's example I could find no particle kinetic energy at the point of 'connection' that might actually 'reconnect' at the level of particle physics. I realize that most of you do not much care about particle kinetic energy and physics, but FYI, that's where the physical energy exchange actually takes place. Dungey however provided a very CLEAR source of particle kinetic energy at the neutral point. He provides that in the form of an ELECTRICAL DISCHARGE into/through the neutral point. The electrons in that electrical discharge are the SOURCE OF KINETIC ENERGY that actually physically 'reconnects' at the level of particle physics. He's quite clear that CURRENT reconnects through that neutral point, not just "magnetic lines". Dungey's "electrical discharge" can and will provide "fast" kinetic energy to the point of "reconnection". It is however "current reconnection" in the final analysis because we're talking about an "electrical discharge"!

I've already carefully and repeatedly explained to you that your own experiment uses the units *INDUCTANCE" per distance unit, not "reconnections" per distance unit. You always run like hell from my questions about changing the materials in the experiment and the corresponding change in INDUCTANCE. Why is that? The answer is obvious. You're stuck in pure denial. Your own formulas evoke INDUCTION processes, not RECONNECTION processes. Go ahead and keep running from my questions all you like, but each and every NON ANSWER only demonstrates my point. You can't and won't address the issue because that's what denial is for. :)


With all of the knowledgeable people who've been participating in this and related threads, including several professional physicists, the interesting question is:

Why is Michael Mozina the only one who's busting my chops?​

You know, that's a GREAT question that I've had to ask myself as well, not just with you and this issue, but with RC and the "electrical discharge" issue. I can't be the only one in this discussion that notices RC is bending Peratt's definition of an electrical discharge in a plasma like a pretzel. I can't be the only one that notices that he's in pure denial because Dungey EXPLICITLY stated that electrical discharges could and did occur in flares.

I can answer why for most of you pretty easily. It's most likely a matter of pure ignorance. Most of you haven't ever taken the time in all these months and years to actually sit down and read Cosmic Plasma, or Peratt's book for yourself. You're mostly (as a group), just clueless based on willful ignorance of the material.

FYI, I actually believe that Peratt's book is MUCH better in terms of clearly explaining all the process mathematically. Alfven's book is more like an "introductory primer" to the E orientation of plasma physics. Peratt's book is more of an upper class presentation of the material.

Those cowards fool nobody. As sol invictus wrote:

The reason I respect sol and not you is because I know that sol understands basic theory and much much more. I know for a fact that you do not, or you would have copped to your ERROR about your experiment a long time ago. Since you keep running from my questions about what happens when we swap out materials, I also know you really aren't interested in honest scientific dialog. That's the difference between you and sol.

FYI, I also highlighted some of the words that you use in debate to skew the conversation and make it "personal". That is also a really crappy way to try to make point in debate. It's another thing that sets you apart from many of the other actual "scientists" taking part in this debate. Attacking the individual is a sure sign you can't handle the scientific truth.
 
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No it is not *INDUCTION* that is accelerating the plasma in magnetic reconnection it is the release of the magnetic tension.

Oh for crying out loud!

The release of "tension" is taking place via INDUCTANCE PER DISTANCE UNIT! This is just bizarre. Dungey CLEARLY drives CURRENT through the NEUTRAL POINT, not just two "magnetic lines"!

I understand ignorance, but I don't understand you. You've yet to correct RC and his error about electrical discharges in plasma! What is your problem? You're the supposed "professional" around here. You've never once corrected a single bogus claim RC has made about the circuit orientation to plasma physics! You're evoking INDUCTANCE per distance unit, not "reconnections" per distance unit in all your formulas too! Wow. This conversation demonstrates the severe problems that Alfven was talking about when he called MR theory "pseudoscience". It's bogus from start to finish because all of it is based upon INDUCTANCE PER DISTANCE UNIT, not RECONNECTIONS per distance unit.

Dance around that issue all you like, but it's staring you in the face!
 
The reason I respect sol and not you is because I know that sol understands basic theory and much much more. I know for a fact that you do not, or you would have copped to your ERROR about your experiment a long time ago. Since you keep running from my questions about what happens when we swap out materials, I also know you really aren't interested in honest scientific dialog. That's the difference between you and sol.


It does appear that sol is interested in honest scientific discussion, and not at all interested in dishonest unscientific discussion. Let's see, how did he put it?...

OK, in that case our conversation is over.
 
It does appear that sol is interested in honest scientific discussion, and not at all interested in dishonest unscientific discussion. Let's see, how did he put it?...

You of all human beings have no concept of honest scientific dialog. "Electrical Discharges in plasma? What discharges?" Oy Vey.
 
I finally "get it" now. I couldn't understand how a bunch of mathematical hot shots could not understand the E orientation of plasma physics. I finally realize now, that for all your math skills, you still made the oldest, simplest mathematical mistake on the planet. You simply forgot to check your units of measurement. :)
 
I finally "get it" now. I couldn't understand how a bunch of mathematical hot shots could not understand the E orientation of plasma physics. I finally realize now, that for all your math skills, you still made the oldest, simplest mathematical mistake on the planet. You simply forgot to check your units of measurement. :)

Oh Mikey, you are one of a kind, you finally figured us out!
 
MM explains his confusion, part 3

Wow! You personally really do not grasp basic electromagnetic theory, or the concept of particle kinetic energy.
I understand electromagnetism at the freshman level.

You, alas, do not. You're guessing. You're guessing wrong. Yet you're absolutely certain you're right about this, and the professional physicists are wrong.

In sol's example I could find no particle kinetic energy at the point of 'connection' that might actually 'reconnect' at the level of particle physics.
Magnetic reconnection is about magnetic fields, not particles.

Magnetic fields do interact with charged particles in motion, but adding those particles complicates the situation. The experiment I've been suggesting illustrates magnetic reconnection without that complication. All you have to understand are the magnetic fields.

Unfortunately, you do not understand magnetic fields. You do not understand Ampère's law. You cannot describe the magnetic field around a current-carrying rod. You thought magnetic flux was a euphemism for field-aligned currents; when called on it, you tried to save face by typing gibberish. You probably don't even understand the concept of a vector field.

For example...

Dungey however provided a very CLEAR source of particle kinetic energy at the neutral point. He provides that in the form of an ELECTRICAL DISCHARGE into/through the neutral point. The electrons in that electrical discharge are the SOURCE OF KINETIC ENERGY that actually physically 'reconnects' at the level of particle physics. He's quite clear that CURRENT reconnects through that neutral point, not just "magnetic lines". Dungey's "electrical discharge" can and will provide "fast" kinetic energy to the point of "reconnection". It is however "current reconnection" in the final analysis because we're talking about an "electrical discharge"!
Dungey's figure 1 shows the magnetic field, not currents or particles.

That figure has a caption, which reads as follows:

Dungey said:
The direction of the magnetic force, [latex]$\hbox{{\bf f}} = \frac{1}{c}\hbox{{\bf j}} \times \hbox{{\bf H}}$[/latex]
That equation describes the force that a magnetic field exerts on moving charged particles. You can't remove the magnetic field from that equation.

Dungey's figure 2 likewise shows the magnetic field, not currents or particles. Both of those figures are Dungey's. The experiment I've been suggesting reproduces both of the magnetic fields shown in Dungey's equations figures.

If you can't do the math, as has long been obvious, then you should at least conduct the experiment.

I've already carefully and repeatedly explained to you that your own experiment uses the units *INDUCTANCE" per distance unit, not "reconnections" per distance unit.
Yes, you have carelessly repeated your claim.

By doing so, you've been demonstrating the futility of keyword search as a substitute for scientific knowledge.

In the SI system of units, the magnetic constant µ0 has units of volt-seconds per Ampere-meter, which is indeed the same as Henries per meter. In some older systems of units, however, the magnetic constant was a pure number. As stated within the current Wikipedia article on the magnetic constant:
Wikipedia said:
Ampère's law as stated above describes a physical property of the world. However, the choices about the form of km and the value of μ0 are totally human decisions, taken by international bodies composed of representatives of the national standards organizations of all participating countries. The parameter μ0 is a measurement-system constant, not a physical constant that can be measured. It does not, in any meaningful sense, describe a physical property of the vacuum. This is why the relevant Standards Organizations prefer the name "magnetic constant", rather than any name that carries the hidden and misleading implication that μ0 describes some physical property of the vacuum.
You didn't know that. You saw the μ0 in two of my five equations and figured out that it had something to do with permeability. Permeability has to do with magnetic fields in general, but you had never heard of permeability except in connection with induction, so you got all excited and began to shout "INDUCTION".

Like this:

You always run like hell from my questions about changing the materials in the experiment and the corresponding change in INDUCTANCE. Why is that? The answer is obvious. You're stuck in pure denial. Your own formulas evoke INDUCTION processes, not RECONNECTION processes. Go ahead and keep running from my questions all you like, but each and every NON ANSWER only demonstrates my point. You can't and won't address the issue because that's what denial is for. :)

No, Michael, it's not induction. You literally don't know what you're talking about.

I can answer why for most of you pretty easily. It's most likely a matter of pure ignorance. Most of you haven't ever taken the time in all these months and years to actually sit down and read Cosmic Plasma, or Peratt's book for yourself. You're mostly (as a group), just clueless based on willful ignorance of the material.
Yes, it's probably just a matter of pure ignorance. You claim to have read a freshman-level textbook on electromagnetism, but that was thirty years ago and you no longer remember its title, author, or anything about electromagnetism.

Until you acquire some inkling of the basics of electromagnetism, carrying on about your holy texts isn't going to impress anybody. We'll continue to assume you don't understand Alfvén's Cosmic Plasma any better than you understood that freshman-level textbook on electromagnetism.
 
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Permeability & Magnetic Reconnection

Do the formulas involve "permeability"?!?!????
No. The formulas do not involve permeability at all. So all of your whining about it is pointless & irrelevant.


All of Mozina's carrying on about permeability is dead wrong for two reasons:

Reason 1: Clinger's equations do not in fact involve permeability at all, revealing a critical weakness in Mozina's basic knowledge of electromagnetism.
Reason 2: Even if we were to grant that the equations did involve permeability, and therefore inductance, Mozina fails once again at the very basic level: "inductance" and "induction" are physically quite different, despite the similarity of the words. People who actually know what they are talking about would spot this at once. Mozina does not, therefore revealing that he actually knows far less about electromagnetism than he claims to know.

Explanation for reason 1

Quite simply, Mozina does not know what the symbols used in equations of electromagnetism mean, revealing a level of understanding that would be sub-standard even in a high school physics class. See W.D.Clinger's post #4186, where we find this:

Michael Mozina, being totally ignorant of electromagnetism, saw the Greek letter µ in those equations, looked it up, saw that it had something to do with permeability, knew or looked up that permeability had something to do with inductance, and began shouting.

In CGS units, Ampère's law doesn't contain µ0. Since the other equations I quoted are derived from Ampère's law, Michael Mozina's argument about inductance is equivalent to believing that SI units are more real than cgs units.
:D

Move along, folks, nothing to see here: It's just the same old preacher on the same old soapbox on the same old corner.


W.D.Clinger reinforces the point again in post #4254 (MM explains his confusion, part 3).

Of course, if there were actually a real physical process involved, it would appear appropriately the particular equations, regardless of the units. Mozina mistakes a unit normalizing constant for a physical process, a mistake that would never be made by anyone who actually had ever studied electromagnetism, as Mozina claims to have done. It is an elementary level mistake.

Hence, the physical property of permeability, and thus the physical process of inductance, are not involved.

Explanation for reason 2:

Let us now assume for the sake of argument that Mozina is correct, and both permeability and inductance are involved. What does this really mean, as Mozina would say, "at the level of real physics"?

A while back I asked Mozina some direct questions:
Look up "inductor", look up "Faraday's Law of Inductance", then go back to my magnum-opus, Magnetic Reconnection Redux V (30 Dec 2009). Compare the "induction" equations in Stenzel, Gekelman & Wild, 1982 and in the webpages listed, with the induction equation in my post. Now, you are the one who asked the key question, "Which formulas did those authors use ...?", so ...

You tell me if the equations from Stenzel, Gekelman & Wild, 1982 look like the equations in my post.
You tell me if you think their equations and my equations address the same physical processes.
You tell me if you think their "induction" and my "induction" are the same thing, physically (not the same word, but the same thing physically).

How you answer these questions will determine the details of my further responses.


Mozina declined to answer. I asked these questions quite deliberately because I assumed that he would make the mistake that he did eventually make, mistaking "inductance" for "induction", another beginner's level mistake.

As I said above, "Look up Faraday's Law of Inductance" (I should have said Faraday's Law of Induction; a poor choice of words on my part, but not a fundamental error). Simply put, Faraday's Law tells us that "The EMF generated is proportional to the rate of change of the magnetic flux". This tells us that if an electrical conductor (such as the wire in an electrical circuit) experiences a time-variable magnetic field, it will as a result also experience an induced voltage, and therefore an electric current in response to the induced voltage. Note that this is the physical process relating the rate of change of a magnetic field to the appearance of a voltage and the flow of an electric current.

Now look up "inductance". As the webpage tells us, "In electromagnetism and electronics, inductance is the ability of an inductor to store energy in a magnetic field."

So what does Mozina's "inductance per distance unit" mean? It means, "the ability to store energy in a magnetic field, per distance unit". Permeability is the ability of the magnetic field to permeate, either in a vacuum or in some other medium. Hence, even if "inductance per distance unit" were involved, it would refer to the ability of (perhaps free space or perhaps of a plasma) to be permeated by a magnetic field. This is not the same thing as having a magnetic field in a plasma induce currents.

Further comments

As I pointed out before (Magnetic Reconnection Redux V; 30 Dec 2009), induction cannot explain the energetics of a solar flare (nor is it physically correct to interpret Dungey's 1958 paper to support the claim of induction supported flares).

Reference the book Magnetic Reconnection: MHD Theory and Applications by Eric Priest & Terry Forbes, Cambridge University Press, 2000. [...]

"In space physics the distinction between ideal and non-ideal processes is important because simple estimates imply that magnetic dissipation acts on a time-scale which is many orders of magnitude slower than the observed time-scale of dynamic phenomena. For example, solar flares release stored magnetic energy in the corona within a period of 100 s. By comparison, the time-scale for magnetic dissipation based on a global scale length of 105 km is of the order of 106 yrs."
Priest & Forbes, page 6


Mozina's long & tiresome arguments about induction powering solar flares has never made physical sense and does not now make physical sense. It is an argument and a claim built on a solid foundation of ignorance. Mozina knows far less about electromagnetism, plasma physics, and most other topics in physics, than he thinks he does, and provides a constant stream of documentary evidence in support of this claim.
 
No. The formulas do not involve permeability at all. So all of your whining about it is pointless & irrelevant.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7689471&postcount=4035

There's no point in even bothering with your other post until you tell me what that little Greek character thingy that looks like a lower case "u" is doing in those last two equations of Clingers "experiment", and you tell me what's going to happen when we do this experiment in various environments, like water, air, a vacuum, etc. Will the INDUCTANCE change accordingly?
 
Did either of you two come up with a "freshman" textbook that describes this experiment as an example of "magnetic reconnection"?
 
Dungey & Discharges II

Dungey however provided a very CLEAR source of particle kinetic energy at the neutral point. He provides that in the form of an ELECTRICAL DISCHARGE into/through the neutral point. The electrons in that electrical discharge are the SOURCE OF KINETIC ENERGY that actually physically 'reconnects' at the level of particle physics. He's quite clear that CURRENT reconnects through that neutral point, not just "magnetic lines". Dungey's "electrical discharge" can and will provide "fast" kinetic energy to the point of "reconnection". It is however "current reconnection" in the final analysis because we're talking about an "electrical discharge"!


Mozina's loose interpretation of Dungey's paper is about as horrendously stupid as it is possible to be, falsified directly and explicitly by Dungey himself in the very paper that Mozina is citing (The Neutral Point Discharge Theory of Solar Flares. A Reply to Cowling's Criticism; J.W. Dungey, Electromagnetic Phenomena in Cosmical Physics, Proceedings from IAU Symposium no. 6; 1958). Others have addressed this issue as well, in several posts, notably tusenfem and W.D.Clinger; here is a list of my own posts, dating back to last December, that should be looked at on the matter of the Dungey paper.

  • Electric Sun & Magnetic Reconnection VIII (13 Jan 2011)
    Let us look at what the very same Dungey actually says, in his own words.
    [ ... ]
    What Dungey is describing is magnetic reconnection, not ELECTROmagnetic reconnection.
  • Electric Sun and the Dungey Paper (8 Jan 2011)
  • Electric Sun & Magnetic Reconnection IV (7 Dec 2010)
    Notice that Dungey says, "'reconnect' the lines of force ... if the lines of force are seen as strings". The statement that the reconnecting is being done by lines of force could hardly be more explicit. And yet Mozina insists that Dungey actually says currents and ions and electrons and particles.
    Need I say more?
  • Electric Sun & Magnetic Reconnection III (7 Dec 2010)
    See The Neutral Point Discharge Theory of Solar Flares. a Reply to Cowling's Criticism, J.W. Dungey, 1958 (this is the paper that Mozina's "Dungey" comment above refers to).

    "Certain other features of flares may be accounted for by the bulk motion resulting from a discharge at a neutral point. The effect of the discharge is to 'reconnect' the lines of force at the neutral point, and this happens quickly. The 'reconnection' upsets the mechanical equilibrium in the neighborhood in a way that can be visualized, if the lines of force are seen as strings. Then the mechanical disturbance will spread from the neutral point and may have energy comparable to the energy of the spot field in the solar atmosphere."
    Dungey, 1958, page 139
    So Mozina tells us that Dungey's explanation is 100% consistent but also tells us that magnetic reconnection is 100% pseudoscience. But Mozina overlooks that Dungey's 100% consistent explanation includes the 100% pseudoscience of magnetic reconnection. I will leave it as an exercise for the attentive reader to decide what impact this will have on the general credibility of Mozina's arguments.

Look at what Mozina says: "The electrons in that electrical discharge are the SOURCE OF KINETIC ENERGY that actually physically 'reconnects' at the level of particle physics."

Now look at what Dungey actually says: "The effect of the discharge is to 'reconnect' the lines of force at the neutral point, and this happens quickly. The 'reconnection' upsets the mechanical equilibrium in the neighborhood in a way that can be visualized, if the lines of force are seen as strings. Then the mechanical disturbance will spread from the neutral point and may have energy comparable to the energy of the spot field in the solar atmosphere."

Is it possible to be more explicit? Is it possible for Mozina to be more wrong? Mozina says that Dungey says that it's the currents the reconnect, while Dungey says that Dungey says lines of force reconnect. Huh?

Even if we ignore Dungey altogether, and just look at what Mozina says, on it's own merit, it is still just plain stupid. Really. Look: "electrons ... are the SOURCE OF KINETIC ENERGY". OK, they are the source of kinetic energy for what? They are the source of the kinetic energy of the current flowing away from the neutral point. What is the current flowing away from the neutral point? it is the electrons that are flowing away from the neutral point? And what is the source of the kinetic energy of the electrons flowing away from the neutral point? Why, it's the electrons flowing away from the neutral point, at least according to Mozina. What, am I the only one who thinks that looks kinda fishy? Circular, perhaps? Stupid?

The electrons flowing away from the neutral point have energy, and that energy has to come from something or somewhere, and it sure as heck can't be the electrons themselves. What is it? It's the magnetic field, of course. Can it be induction of the magnetic field in the plasma that provides the energy? No, it could not, as I have already repeatedly explained over nearly two years ...

The conversion of magnetic energy into a current always operates on a time-scale characteristic of the system, and that time scale is controlled by the ability of the magnetic field to move through the conductor, in order to create a dB/dt term from which the current is generated. That time-scale in a plasma is rather different than it is for a fixed conductor. Here we find the real deal once again in Priest & Forbes:

"In space physics the distinction between ideal and non-ideal processes is important because simple estimates imply that magnetic dissipation acts on a time-scale which is many orders of magnitude slower than the observed time-scale of dynamic phenomena. For example, solar flares release stored magnetic energy in the corona within a period of 100 s. By comparison, the time-scale for magnetic dissipation based on a global scale length of 105 km is of the order of 106 yrs."
Priest & Forbes, page 6


I have said all I have to say on magnetic reconnection and do not intend to address the topic again, since doing so is too frustrating to contemplate. I see nothing to add to the numerous detailed posts I have already made. The only thing FUBAR around here is Mozina on magnetic reconnection.


OK, maybe I haven't said all I have to say, though for the most part I am simply quoting myself from the past. Easy to do; Mozina has added nothing new to the discussion for years, so all the past arguments & quotes work just as fine now as they did then. But trying to actually interact directly with Mozina is incredibly frustrating, as I am sure is obvious to many. When it comes to physics, the man is a twit.
 
Permeability & Magnetic Reconnection II

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7689471&postcount=4035

There's no point in even bothering with your other post until you tell me what that little Greek character thingy that looks like a lower case "u" is doing in those last two equations of Clingers "experiment", and you tell me what's going to happen when we do this experiment in various environments, like water, air, a vacuum, etc. Will the INDUCTANCE change accordingly?


I already did that and you just read it, it's the post right above yours. There's no point in even bothering with you if you are that illiterate. I am not going to repeat the same thing 10,000 times because you refuse to read what's right in front of your face.
 
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