Occupy Wall Street better defend its identity

[Alt+F4]

I actually think they did get disproportionate access to the media. What was pretty much a small and unnoticed demostration took hold because of the media attention they received.

You're right and it seems they are getting more...

MTV will begin airing a reality TV show based on the Occupy Wall Street protests at Zuccotti Park. Brian Stelter, The New York Times media reporter, said on Twitter that the series would premiere on on Nov. 5, and would be called “True Life: I’m Occupying Wall Street.” The series apparently began life with a casting call for one of the protesters to join the network’s long-running “Real World” series, Entertainment Weekly reported.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/10/19/occupy-wall-street-the-real-world/

 

[Virus]

Occupy Baltimore tries to cover up accusations of sexual abuse and discourages victims from going to police.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20..._1_sexual-assaults-sexual-abuse-report-crimes

Seems there's been a lot of things going on at Occupy-Whatever events that the supporters would rather you didn't know. Drug dealing, drug use, underage sex, sexual assault, fights, theft, infighting, antisemitism, the list keeps growing.

 

[RandFan]

Occupy Baltimore tries to cover up accusations of sexual abuse and discourages victims from going to police.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20..._1_sexual-assaults-sexual-abuse-report-crimes

That is not proof of a cover up.

 

[RandFan]

Skepticism my ass.

So this is skepticism and critical thinking? Belittling and maligning an entire group of people who choose to use their rights of free speech and to seek redress? And to justify this ad hominem you focus on anecdotes and tangential issues? As if there was some CT and malevolent behind the scence machinations? Parsimonious explanations are swept aside?

 

[Virus]

That is not proof of a cover up.

The "security" division of the occutards distributed a pamphlet encouraging victims to not go to the police but to handle the matter internally.

Seems to be something they've been discussing amongst themselves for a while:

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=31075

 

[whatnot]

A San Francisco Occutard has a suggestion:



Note the applause she gets. Hey, you can already print your own money. It's called counterfeiting.

That's Jello Biafra to her right, btw. At one point you can clearly hear him. Coincidentally, he stood in a similar spot (stage right, not quite in the wings) for much of the Hank III show a few weeks back. He wore an Alt Tentacle t-shirt at that show lest anyone mistake him for the Guy Who Ate Jello Biafra, I guess.

 

[Ziggurat]

That is not proof of a cover up.

Perhaps not. Perhaps it's just vigilantism.

 

[Neally]

And to justify this ad hominem you focus on anecdotes and tangential issues?

31% think violence is justified to achieve their goals and 37% think that capitalism is inherently evil are not anecdotal statistics. Oh wait, I forgot. Let's shoot the messenger. The poll wasn't peer reviewed, cross tabulated, margin of error analyzed, and checked for rabies.

 

[bikerdruid]

31% think violence is justified to achieve their goals and 37% think that capitalism is inherently evil

your point?
the first american revolution required violence to cast of the tyrant. does the second deserve less?
and, capitalism is indeed inherently evil.

 

[RandFan]

The "security" division of the occutards distributed a pamphlet encouraging victims to not go to the police but to handle the matter internally.

Not proof of a cover up. The police have often shown indifference and hostility to the protestors. There are parsimonious and reasonable alternative explanations. BTW, exposing your cover up in a pamphlet is akin to the 9/11 CT that claims that the owner of building 7 told the press he was going to "pull it" revealing the cover up. Really?

 

[RandFan]

31% think violence is justified to achieve their goals and 37% think that capitalism is inherently evil are not anecdotal statistics. Oh wait, I forgot. Let's shoot the messenger. The poll wasn't peer reviewed, cross tabulated, margin of error analyzed, and checked for rabies.

Rhetorical. None of this addresses points made and certainly fails standard skeptical inquiry for studies..

 

[Neally]

your point?
the first american revolution required violence to cast of the tyrant. does the second deserve less?
and, capitalism is indeed inherently evil.

I think the stats speak for themselves in showing that the OWS are not just average folk engaged in a political expression with a peaceful goal in mind. And yes, we are well aware of a violence supporting communist like yourself would have no problem with their pro-violence anti-capitalist sentiment.

 

[RandFan]

I think ...OWS are not just average folk engaged in a political expression with a peaceful goal in mind.

And does this conform with your bias? You feel no need for skepticism?

 

[Macgyver1968]

Oh noes...we've been occupied:

link

 

[bikerdruid]

I think the stats speak for themselves in showing that the OWS are not just average folk engaged in a political expression with a peaceful goal in mind. And yes, we are well aware of a violence supporting communist like yourself would have no problem with their pro-violence anti-capitalist sentiment.

ya gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.
capitalist civilization had become corrupt and immoral.
the current state of affairs in the western world are glaring evidence of this fact.
if you deny this, you are deluding yourself.
people are pissed off at the growing divide between rich and poor.
revolution is required.

whether there is violence involved is all up to you and your kind.

 

[Alt+F4]

your point?
the first american revolution required violence to cast of the tyrant. does the second deserve less?
and, capitalism is indeed inherently evil.

So are you suggesting a second American Revolution with the goal of a United States without a capitalist economic system?

 

[RandFan]

So are you suggesting a second American Revolution with the goal of a United States without a capitalist economic system?

Wouldn't it be great if we actually fixed the system before revolution is seen as a viable option? I doubt there will be that kind of a revolution but the idea I find troubling. There's not a lot of good history for such things. So, let's proactively improve the lives of citizens rather than act like the fictionalized Marie Antoinette. Just a thought.

 

[bikerdruid]

So are you suggesting a second American Revolution with the goal of a United States without a capitalist economic system?

i thought that was fairly obvious.

 

[Alt+F4]

Wouldn't it be great if we actually fixed the system before revolution is seen as a viable option? I doubt there will be that kind of a revolution but the idea I find troubling. There's not a lot of good history for such things. So, let's proactively improve the lives of citizens rather than act like the fictionalized Marie Antoinette. Just a thought.

I do think a fix is in order but it appears that the OWS crowd is interested in neither a fix or a revolution to overthrow the government. It seems they want to replace current society with a new once based on some sort of direct democracy where all decisions are based on consensus. Note how much of their activity surrounds not around Wall Street but developing their "uptopia" in the park, where all voices are valid as long as you don't like Wall Street (as Checkmite pointed out).

 

[Alt+F4]

i thought that was fairly obvious.

Ok, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't putting words into your mouth/keyboard. How do you think that would be possible without installing a totaltarian dictatorship?