Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[smkovalinksy]

This guy believes that the Sollecito family is very powerful and has connections to the freemassons (and mafia?). So I think he believes the influence of the Sollecito family is behind the acquittals.

In other words - to his thinking - all the evidence really pointed to Knox and Sollecito. The whole C & V report, the independent reviews, the seeming careful process conducted by Hellman - an esteemed and seasoned judge - and his jury : All was a mask, a farce, behind which the power of the Sollecito family and the freemasons played out their deadly game. Why does this sound like a delusional and far-fetched conspiracy theory to me???

 

[RoseMontague]

In other words - to his thinking - all the evidence really pointed to Knox and Sollecito. The whole C & V report, the independent reviews, the seeming careful process conducted by Hellman - an esteemed and seasoned judge - and his jury : All was a mask, a farce, behind which the power of the Sollecito family and the freemasons played out their deadly game. Why does this sound like a delusional and far-fetched conspiracy theory to me???

It is confusing but the pmf legal Italians don't give much credence to the politics or PR excuses so maybe this is all that is left? Popper had this to say:

I saw no particular interest of politics (apart from a few words by Alfano, quite irrelevant, he is one of the "servants" of Berlusconi and they would have criticised judges even with opposite result, this is what B does every day). Girlanda is nobody in politics. Theatrics, apart for a few weeks before sentence, were limited in Italy as press and TV covered little or nothing of the trial. There was little or no sign in Italian media of the aggressive PR campaign and especially of the xenophobic remarks on Italy and Italian justice often found in US TV and press and "suggested" by pro-Knox campaigners.

This seems to me to be a point of departure for most of those others that believe in guilt. For Machiavelli, it is the Brotherhood.

I rather liked the Order of the Red Rose, has a certain ring to it.

 

[smkovalinksy]

It is confusing but the pmf legal Italians don't give much credence to the politics or PR excuses so maybe this is all that is left? Popper had this to say:



This seems to me to be a point of departure for most of those others that believe in guilt. For Machiavelli, it is the Brotherhood.

I rather liked the Order of the Red Rose, has a certain ring to it.

Yes, those Freemasons and their pesky antics. But is Popper saying this verdict was arrived at naturally, through Hellman and the lay-judges' use of reason and logic, then? If so, why is it not respected?

 

[Diocletus]

That's Domenico Giacinto Profazio. He is the one who decided it was impossible for someone to climb through the window. Which is probably true for him.

He was also there on Nov 5th for Amanda's interrogation. Frank Sfarzo said he moved on to Rome to cause trouble for the innocent people over there.

I wouldn't doubt at all if Profazio sold those photos.

Now that is very interesting.

 

[smkovalinksy]

I still say the masked photo in that one picture is clearly Mignini, and not this bearded man at all.

 

[madrigal]

Lalli didn't say there was no sign of sexual trauma. He said he could not state for certain if the bruises were the result of a violence.
A scenario where Meredith is already dead as Guede does sexual acts is absurd, it is against many aspects of the crime scene and autopsy report.

Keep correcting them about the true facts, Machiavelli.

 

[smkovalinksy]

Lalli didn't say there was no sign of sexual trauma. He said he could not state for certain if the bruises were the result of a violence.
A scenario where Meredith is already dead as Guede does sexual acts is absurd, it is against many aspects of the crime scene and autopsy report.

Like, which ones?

 

[Fine]

Man From Atlan has a new post out called A Psycho-Astrological Perspective on the Relationship of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.

http://manfromatlan.blogspot.com/2011/10/psycho-astrological-perspective-on.html



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[snook1]

Lalli didn't say there was no sign of sexual trauma. He said he could not state for certain if the bruises were the result of a violence.
A scenario where Meredith is already dead as Guede does sexual acts is absurd, it is against many aspects of the crime scene and autopsy report.

Do you believe Guede had sex with Meredith the night she got killed?

 

[smkovalinksy]

Man From Atlan has a new post out called A Psycho-Astrological Perspective on the Relationship of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.

http://manfromatlan.blogspot.com/2011/10/psycho-astrological-perspective-on.html



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I was going to post a comment, but someone did it for me. In any case, it made Man from Atlan angry:

"his relationship has aspects of delusional thinking. It appears that one or the other can project all sorts of longing on to the other, but, when that turns out to have been misjudged, lead to great disappointment"

Pretty much sums up the author and his outrageously insulting quackery.

 

[Diocletus]

I was going to post a comment, but someone did it for me. In any case, it made Man from Atlan angry:

I don't understand. Shouldn't he have been able to use the powers of astrology to predict that he would receive negative comments?

 

[smkovalinksy]

I don't understand. Shouldn't he have been able to use the powers of astrology to predict that he would receive negative comments?

One would think so.

 

[Bob001]

...I saw her [Judy Bachrach] on a few interviews during the appeal and she is definitely pro-innocence now. Something must have changed her mind....

Judy Bachrach has always been an outspoken supporter of Amanda's innocence. The May 2008 Vanity Fair story recounts much of the prosecution's case, then adds:

"... From the start, the Italian authorities, after reviewing the American girl’s inappropriate responses to tragedy and her vulnerability to suggestion, believed she was an impassive villainess straight out of a Hitchcock film, heartless and indubitably guilty.

None of this was backed up by the evidence...."​

The story also recounts the intimidating interrogation with no attorney, etc. The story, written long before the first trial, includes "facts" that we now know to be incorrect. But near the end, Bachrach writes:

"... In other words, the case is not going well. All anyone knows is that a girl who has been charged with nothing and is very likely innocent of murder will be languishing in an Italian jail for at least the next nine months, if not 30 years...."​

Bachrach was never a guilter.

Here's the article:
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/06/perugia200806

In this Dec. 2009 ABC interview, Bachrach supports Knox:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbRZjKg0JTU

 

[Chris C]

Lalli didn't say there was no sign of sexual trauma. He said he could not state for certain if the bruises were the result of a violence.
A scenario where Meredith is already dead as Guede does sexual acts is absurd, it is against many aspects of the crime scene and autopsy report.

So no evidence of rape but then why where they charged with rape? If there was no rape then doesn't that kinda blow up the whole 3 person sexual assault for fun theory! I mean the only real sign of rape are her clothes partially off. Which could have just have easily been the result of getting attacked while getting undressed or redressed. Her clothes could have been torn off or ripped off during the struggle just as easily also. So if you was gonna charge someone with rape, then you should probably look for signs of semen also. Like around the body or on the body. So why do you think they didn't bother testing that possible semen stain if they was gonna charge people with a sex crime and rape? If your gonna say it could have been left on her pillow at a previous date then you run into the same problem with that possible spec of Sollecito's dna that could have been left on a previous date also. Just because it could be her boyfriends is a lame reason not to test. It could just have easily been sollecito's or guede's if they actually raped her. If it was Sollecito's you have an iron locked case that pretty much imprisons AK/RS for 25 years.

 

[Ammonitida]

Dougm,

I am in general agreement, but I would like to add a few thoughts. When one sees a very small amount of DNA in an electropherogram, one can infer that there is a greater chance of secondary transfer or contamination than for a normal sized sample. However, I would say that the presence of DNA almost never gives information on how or when it arrived on an object. Some of Raffaele's putative peaks are the second largest in the bra clasp electropherogram, but some of the peaks that might be attributed to him are smaller than some that are not.

That's interesting. Since you're more knowledgeable on the subject of DNA, can you explain the below quote for me?

From Frank

So, she explained to him.

She explained that the recovered alleles, able to form two more profiles, were not all. She had just picked those to explain the concept in the report. But, in truth, she recovered more alleles, much more –so many that it would have been too long putting them in the report.

After examining just the first 4 markers (over 17) of the Y chromosome, there were already new alleles for forming at least 8 profiles”! So she didn’t really continue to find the all of them.

For the autosomic STRs, Vecchiotti explained, “There were so many alleles that even my own profile was a match in 9 markers!” (over 16).

I find this quote very interesting because it appears that it could support the idea that Stefonini engaged in a suspect-centric approach in constructing the data. In the past, this idea was countered by the Y-Haplotype DNA which "corresponded with Sollecito's haplotype" (confirming the autosomo STR). But it appears that even the Y-haplotype DNA can be constructed with bias and from the above quote we learn that many unattributable Y chromosome alleles were found but not noted in the review. So is the suspect-centric approach still plausible as an explanation for the supposed DNA of Sollecito being found on the clasp?

 

[Didaktylos]

Something that's ocurred to me over the "amateur hour" antics of the Polizia Scientifica - maybe the Prosecution never actually expected the first instance trial to convict AK and RS. Maybe all they wanted was to have something that passed muster sufficiently to get them sent for trial.

 

[Rolfe]

That's an interesting parallel to some commentaries on the train wreck that was the Lockerbie evidence - in particular why the fabrication of one piece of evidence wasn't better concealed, and overall why the case as brought to court was so weak. Initially all that was required was to look as if they were doing something, and then just enough to issue indictments against two Libyans safe in Libya with no extradition treaty.

The case as presented in court was far far weaker than what had been fed to the press in the early years. The prosecution were running around as if they had never expected to have to argue their case in court.

And still the court convicted. Probably for rather similar reasons to Massei.

Rolfe.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

I found some humor in this. Of course my friend Steve Shay is cropped out! I thought they proved Steve was a liar too! well, maybe not.

Somehow PMF has determined that I am a proven liar. They are implying that I lied about Marriott's involvement. Of course I have always spoken the truth about Marriott, they on the other hand have pushed nothing but egregious lies about the "PR Supertanker." I discuss all of this further in my book coming out in November. I think the Anti-Knox hate clan is just a little bitter that Injustice in Perugia has had it right all along.

From IIP website March 2010:

What exactly does guilter mean?

A guilter is someone that believes in the guilt of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito regardless of any evidence that is presented proving otherwise. A guilter will continue to believe that Amanda and Raffaele are guilty long after they are acquitted.

 

[smkovalinksy]

I found some humor in this. Of course my friend Steve Shay is cropped out! I thought they proved Steve was a liar too! well, maybe not.

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Somehow PMF has determined that I am a proven liar. They are implying that I lied about Marriott's involvement. Of course I have always spoken the truth about Marriott, they on the other hand have pushed nothing but egregious lies about the "PR Supertanker." I discuss all of this further in my book coming out in November. I think the Anti-Knox hate clan is just a little bitter that Injustice in Perugia has had it right all along.

From IIP website March 2010:

What exactly does guilter mean?

A guilter is someone that believes in the guilt of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito regardless of any evidence that is presented proving otherwise. A guilter will continue to believe that Amanda and Raffaele are guilty long after they are acquitted.

Bruce, I would sue for calumny!

 

[Machiavelli]

So no evidence of rape but then why where they charged with rape? If there was no rape then doesn't that kinda blow up the whole 3 person sexual assault for fun theory! I mean the only real sign of rape are her clothes partially off. Which could have just have easily been the result of getting attacked while getting undressed or redressed. Her clothes could have been torn off or ripped off during the struggle just as easily also. So if you was gonna charge someone with rape, then you should probably look for signs of semen also. Like around the body or on the body. So why do you think they didn't bother testing that possible semen stain if they was gonna charge people with a sex crime and rape? If your gonna say it could have been left on her pillow at a previous date then you run into the same problem with that possible spec of Sollecito's dna that could have been left on a previous date also. Just because it could be her boyfriends is a lame reason not to test. It could just have easily been sollecito's or guede's if they actually raped her. If it was Sollecito's you have an iron locked case that pretty much imprisons AK/RS for 25 years.

Lalli is not the only source of evidence.
There is evidence of sexual violence because of other medical opinions, and because of logical grounds.
There is evidence of multiple attackers because of a physical analysis of the wounds (autopsy report) and a logical inference on them, crossed with that of the murder scene, and of the items found of the scene. And also with the witnsses report.