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Slavery Today

I suspect, since at a bare minimum, but proven in FL and other areas of the US, that there are catholic and protestant slavers since persons of both general persuasions have been arrested and tried in FL in the past few years for involvement with the enslavement of Mexican/Spanish speaking women - illegals mostly) for (primarily) prostitution.

I feel free to call attention to them.
 
Also, I have been aware of same longer (I am about 99.5% certain) than JB has been alive.
 
SezMe said:
Where is YOUR concern? Or do you think posting on an internet board constitutes an effective counter to the wrongs of slavery?
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What if he's not CAPABLE of doing anything more -- e.g. doesn't know how, doesn't have enough money, etc.?
 
Craig4 said:
Yes, slavery is bad. Slavery justified in your big book of fairy stories is bad. Slavery practiced by people who believe in other fairy stories is bad too. Slavery is bad.
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And slavery practiced by people who don't believe those stories is bad too. What one believes has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the badness of slavery.
 
JudeBrando said:
"The Bible and Slavery"
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The Old Testament goes a little further and reminds people to treat their slaves well.
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http://listverse.com/2009/01/14/10-fascinating-facts-about-slavery/
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This is a demonstrable lie. Might want to reconsider your source.
Exodus:
21:20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

A-OK to beat your slaves to death, so long as they die slowly.
 
Resume said:
Then is sucks as a moral guidebook that alleges to be inspired by the creator of the universe.
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First, the Bible can't claim anything, since it's an anthology.

Second, very few books of the Bible claim such inspiration in their entirety.
 
Piggy said:
First, the Bible can't claim anything, since it's an anthology.

Second, very few books of the Bible claim such inspiration in their entirety.
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Sorry. Some alledge, etc. Still sucks.

ETA: And allow me to digress a bit and add here that the UPS driver who imagined his package car a ministry, and the Campus Crusade for Christ all those years ago insisted the bible was the inerrant inspired word of god. I can only go by what the more enthusiastic tell me. Plus my catholic relatives, including ma and pa, and my loony SIL.
 
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JudeBrando said:
The Bible does not expressly condone or forbid slavery.
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It most certainly does. You might want to read Exodus chapter 21. It clearly lays down rules for the purchase, selling and treatment of slaves. It even lays out the rules for selling your own daughter as a slave. And it explicitly states that slaves are property.
 
JudeBrando said:
The Old Testament goes a little further and reminds people to treat their slaves well.
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What do you consider to be "treating them well"? The Bible says that you are not allowed to disfigure them or kill the arbitrarily, but it makes it clear that you are allowed, barring the previously mentioned restrictions, to beat them any time that you like as they are your property.

The most likely reason for this apparent moral discrepancy is that the Bible was penned at a time when slavery was not only widespread, but considered perfectly normal and moral – there was no reason to mention it as most people wouldn’t have considered it an issue worth thinking about.
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That is true. The problem is that your god seems to be just as accepting of slavery as his followers of thousands of years ago were? Why do you suppose this is so? Do you think that slavery is acceptable in any form? Is slavery acceptable to you as long as the slaves are "treated well"?

Slaves at the time were also generally treated much better than the slaves of modern times, and would usually end up being made free after a number of years servitude.
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Exodus chapter 21 makes it clear that only male Hebrew slaves are to be set free after seven years. (Still not such an appealing and generous prospect considering that the average person was lucky to live past the age of thirty.) Non Hebrews and any woman was legally your property for their entire lives.
 
IMST said:
This is a demonstrable lie. Might want to reconsider your source.
Exodus:
21:20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

A-OK to beat your slaves to death, so long as they die slowly.
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In most Bibles, it explains that if the slave continues to live, the owner will not be punished.

Not that it matters, because slavery is wrong in today's society.
 
Funny how all the needs for apologetics goes away once you admit that The Bible was thought up and written by humans. Thus it reflected the attitudes of the humans that created it.
 
SezMe said:
Where is YOUR concern? Or do you think posting on an internet board constitutes an effective counter to the wrongs of slavery?
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mike3 said:
What if he's not CAPABLE of doing anything more -- e.g. doesn't know how, doesn't have enough money, etc.?
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I reject those excuses. He has not replied to my question. I have no reason to believe that he doesn't know how to write to his congressperson, cannot donate to an appropriate non-profit, has marched in the streets, etc. Until I hear from him directly that he has taken such actions, I will assume that he is quite CAPABLE (why the caps?) of doing more than being a keyboard komando.
 
JudeBrando said:
For all of those of you who are so quick to so frequently condemn slavery in the Bible, are you as concerned about slavery today?
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Yes.

Including the kind that the bible forces on women.
 
So this is the depth that the Christian apologists have sunk to, citing the absolute worst examples of human rights abuses in the word today as a defense of the morality promoted in the Bible?

Newsflash! This just in: people still treat each other like crap, just like they did 5,000 years ago, and the Bible is but one surviving work from those primitive ages that still endorses that kind of behavior.

Maybe the fact that we humans of the 21st Century view such inhuman treatment with outrage is actually a sign of social progress over the past few hundred years. Maybe, just maybe, it's an indication that it's time for mankind to dispense with the Bible (along with the Koran, the Torah, etc.) and all the ignorant and barbaric modes of thinking that go along with it?
 
bikerdruid said:
there is oinly one bible, in different translations.

are you suggesting that slavery was a good thing in ancient times?
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Technically there are several bibles with different selections of "books"; the Catholic version, derived from the pre-revision Jewish scripture has a number of books, and additions to others, that aren't part of the Protestant bible and the Orthodox version has a few more again.
 
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